databass is simply saying that ACE's program is based in memorization and speed. Kids correct their own work, so all anyone had to do was memorize the answers, take the test and pass. There is no learning involved. The goal is to rush through as many PACE packets as you can and be rewarded for completion by being allowed to spend time out of your cubical. If a child isn't skilled at
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Just want to say hi to you databass and am glad that you are posting your experiences with ACE.
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QuotegroundedLanajay, I am so very sorry that you didnt receive the type of educational experience that you could have perhaps enjoyed. I attended an ACE program from grade 1-6 and from 10-12. I felt that I wanted to attend public school where I could wear what I wanted and have more freedom at school. I was bored with the education which I received at the Public School and didnt progress at
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Steve, I do not need help with understanding Biblical-based training, I was raised in an evangelical environment, along with many of the people who have responded to this topic. I have since raised 2 children and have 2 left at home. Not once did I feel a need to hit any of my children. I am happy to hear that your school was not allowing others to "paddle" your children. "G
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QuotesbuererA Christian School is to assist Christian parents in building character in their children. In the ACE system, this included permission given by parents to use physical punishment at will. Many of the posts you see on this thread are describing experiences from many years ago. Did "assisted" character building in the ACE school your children attended still include the a
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QuoteskepticI've been out over five years. My sister says that she is out, and I don't think she attends any more "courses" or social functions but she still seems "programmed" to me. I still can't relate to her. In fact when I'm around her, I feel kind of sick. Some horrible things happened between us after she went through the lgat and I don't kn
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QuoteelenaQuoteskeptic Re ellen's post, damn, it sickens me now to remember all the implanted nonsensical, but cool-sounding I thought, new-age/lgat jargon I loaded my language with, for years! I am still purging those words. I have to intentionally substitute and avoid using them. I HATE THEM. They are so phoney, haughty and sickening. Yes, they ruined some perfectly good words.
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QuoteskepticA good friend of mine who I tried for a few years to recruit ended up in the lgat, on someone else's dime (my sister's). I met him at the airport upon his return, very curious to see what he thought, because he was stubborn and skeptical too and had had NO interest when I had tried recruiting him. I was astounded that he LOVED the "course". I marvelled at the ab
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Thanks elena, it's very sad. If you had ever met this guy before, you would never dream this could happen to him. He was the most pig-headed stubborn skeptical person I ever knew. Hi nutrino, I am going to look up Fernando Flores. It's been awhile since I visited these boards. Do you have a family member who got into this mess?
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QuoteAlex_RushYour letter is very much on target and very well written. But if you think you can't reach your friend, think about where he's at. You can do Landmark. learn things about yourself and figure it was very good to do it and not get hard core about it, but still mistakenly think they're a pretty impeccable organization. If you come at somebody like that who likes Land
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Laura and dwest, thanks for writing - Laura's account of the physical abuse at her school is horrendous. The really sad thing is that you can be certain that whatever happened at the school was minor compared to what was happening to those same children at home. I've written and erased so many things on this post - I guess it's just hard for me to write about the physical a
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I just found a few funny things in a search.. this was in a blog: One of my TV locations was a London school that follows the (American) Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) syllabus. The day after watching my show, three colleagues told me they had interviewed, for a place at university, a young woman who had been taught (not at the same school) using ACE. She turned out to be the worst c
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Quotejoythruchristlanajae, You know, now that I think back, I too was in a much better school prior to my time in an ACE school. This probably prepared me better as well. I doubt that I learned anything much in ACE either. I didn't attend a Christian college; it was a community college in my area. (Florida). They didn't seem to have any problem regarding my transcripts. But agai
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Quotejoythruchristlanajae, I can understand some of what you are talking about, since I was also involved in the ACE program for 6 years and in fact, graduated from an ACE school. It is a great deal different from the traditional school systems, but it didn't have the same affect on me that it did on you. If anything, my great desire to learn was fueled by the mistakes I saw in that
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Pardon the pun, but this kind of response is way too deep for him. It's just weird, he must've taken it from somewhere else - sure didn't fit with what he was writing about. Thanks for the replies!
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Hi again, For those that remember, my husband and I have (had) a friend who went over the edge in Landmark. Today he wrote me a nasty email, nothing to do with Landmark, it was about some trouble his teenage son got into (had to do with drinking - he's a friend of my son). I'm not going to post the email, but he wrote some strange things that didn't related to what he was s
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Quotepatrick-darcy monitor them for some changes. the forum's hypnosis begins when people go the little events they place in front of them. because they are children they may not have even the slightest clue. most adults dont. and keep us informed. I will - thanks. Right now I am just hoping that they didn't go, either their dad was telling the truth or really went overboar
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Quotemidonov123Quotelanajae Does anyone know if Landmark zombies get "credit" just for people attending the information/recruitment meeting? Of course they do. That's part of the whole gimmik. Those who do the ILP training or other advanced training (like seminar leader) must fill their "objectives" by enrolling people to an "Introduction". I know that for
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QuoterrmoderatorSounds like you may need to consult with an attorney in your area. What I've found is that unless something bad happens, there isn't a way to intervene unless the kids ask for help. So far all that's happened is the kids sat through a long meeting with some strange people and all they want to do is forget about it, and not discuss it. Both kids know that our f
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Thanks Oz, I'm doing whatever I can think of. I know the kids won't go to the police or anything like that - all they have is their dad and wouldn't jeopardize their relationship with him. I just can't understand why he'd consider putting his kids through something so awful - but at the same time, he's the type who'd wish military basic training on everyone ju
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QuoteYZFR1Having attended no introduction to Landmark but having completed both the Forum and Advanced course i thought id comment. I enjoyed the course, discovered some new tools that have allowed me to view thing differently and experienced a deeper level of understanding with my friends and colleagues and it was inspirational seeing a number of people re-connect with their families and frie
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Quotemidonov123I read your story and I feel outraged about Landmark targetting kids! All I can say is those kids should stay away from Landmark. The most effective offense I have found is to point at the Landmark philosophy which is against the Bible (the concept of "responsibility" or "blaming the victim" is in blatant contradiction with God's words in the book of Job)
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Hi, It's been awhile since I posted about a friend who's girlfriend got him involved in LE. Around Christmas she broke off their engagement and he returned to his former self, although completely denied that LE had anything to do with the breakup (B.S.). He's a single parent with custody of his two kids, ages 13 and 16. My children are close to these kids. Yesterday we
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How awful! After reading the link, I feel just sick - I am so sorry for what you've been through.
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I don't know if this is right, but this is what I got out of reading people's stories: Day 1 -Listen to stories that might amuse you. -Define in very simple terms what you know and don't know about everything. -Your future is empty. You create it. -Rules, rules and more rules. Give over to the rules. Promise to follow the rules. The rules work. -Share your deep dark secre
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Please don't go tonight. You can't help your girlfriend by going to the intro meeting - you're sending her the wrong message. Would you give your dog a treat after it just destroyed something in your house? You are in a vulnerable position right now because you see your relationship ending because of Landmark. They will take advantage of this and you'll end up justif
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Common sense would say that being in a large group, in a closed room, would expose you to a lot of airborne viruses and bacteria. You spent 3 days, 15 hours a day, with people who wouldn't miss a day and stay home even if they had the flu (because they made a promise). Add not being able to urinate when you need to, possible dehydration, fatigue, stress, a drop in blood sugar and you�
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Hi, I doubt that those statements are what puts someone in a hypnotic state - as some kind people here explained to me, it's a combination of the length of each day, limited breaks, in-depth coverage of the rules and extracting a promise to obey the rules, lighting, room design, possibly a drop in blood sugar due to the one meal break, fatigue, human nature to want to please the facilita
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QuotelovebunnyStaring into someones eyes has brought up some emotion about how much I loved them and myself and was fullfilling for me. Staring into someone's eyes is the same as staring into a mirror (or a pool of water back before the world had mirrors), same effect.
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Quotelovebunny I know you guys don't understand this as it takes quite a bit of study. Well what is you feedback, remember this is sharing not dumping. How can i use any of this? I think it's been very helpful for you already, it confirmed your feeling of superiority. Why did you feel the need to go to the graduation? Why are you going to do some of the forum in action be
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