voltaic: Finally, even if some of Thieme's teachings are unsound, or going to the extreme if everything he teaches is false, then the Bible still does not allow us as brothers to attack him to anyone else. Best case scenario, we may bring it to his attention alone, or separate from him. We may even point out doctrinal issues with others and encourage them to separate from him. But never ar
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QuotesistersoapAs I was reading in Romans this morning I came across Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; I know this verse is used by some to claim partial forgiveness. I know there is an answer, but right now I ca n't come up with it Ca
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QuotesistersoapJust one sin makes you unfit to enter heaven and have eternal life. God offers his grace salvation as a gift. Thieme preaches this, but he fails to recognize the contradiction when he subsequently tells his listeners that the gift is not enough to take care of sins committed after salvation. ... Thieme might say we are complete in Christ but then he like some others denie
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Thank-you, Sistersoap, your encouragement is much appreciated. I remember very well the kind of person I became under Thieme’s influence. I lost all capacity to appreciate my brethren from other churches and fellowship with them. The pervading thought was always, “They’re losers headed for the sin unto death. Their prayers go no higher than the ceiling.” Many of my relatives are Presbyterians
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Hi, sistersoap, Thank-you for your response, and you hit the nail on the head many times in your post. Two statements I found epecially poignant were these: QuoteOne of the most harmful things about Thieme's style is that it ATOMIZES Scripture and interrupts a person's understanding of the flow of thought in the context of the whole book being studied. QuoteI lost touch with the
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Hi, Truthlover, good to hear from you again… And thanks for sharing what you found with the forum. Like you, I no longer have any of my notes or tapes from my Thiemite days. That’s what can make it difficult to pin down the Thieme followers in a debate—you may have heard Thieme make a statement a thousand times, but there may be very little written documentation available. And some of our T
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A couple quotes from Thieme that one of the RR posters found at : QuoteThe soul is a receiver. The lungs of the soul are apertures designed to receive Bible doctrine. Either directly in Bible teaching or in Bible study or through the storage area of the human spirit. The mechanics of this thing involves several aspects: You can store doctrine in the human spirit and use it later. You can t
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Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of
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Welcome to the forum, Misfit… Thank-you for sharing your viewpoint, but this is hardly a new revelation of which we are “obviously unaware.” Most Christians generally agree that Christ was separated from His Father while being judged for our sins, whether they specifically refer to it as His “spiritual death” or not. Some Christians shy away from this term because of those who abuse it—there
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This may be overkill, but I was reviewing ephesians’ posts, and just couldn’t resist another challenge to you Thieme followers out there: ephesians: But you say “whenever we fall into sin, we need to admit we’ve sinned”, but then when 1 John 1:9 states this very idea, you say no, that’s not what that verse says, even though, well, that’s what it says. [02/18] My complete statement was: “
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QuoteTruthtestyBy the way to my Protestant friend Liberty, since you referenced "Protestant Gales", Which religion would you ascribe to the weather(storm) which destroyed the British Navy's counter-attack at Yorktown? and as a result 2 days later Cornwallis surrendered, effectively ending the American Revolution? Interesting question, Testy. A few things before I get to the Battle
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KC, Just sent you an email... Liberty
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The Authorized Version’s translators were masters of linguistic scholarship. They regularly conversed in Greek and Hebrew and many other languages. They authored extensive publications of their own in these languages. As Alexander McClure wrote, “It would be impossible to convene out of any one Christian denomination, or out of all, a body of translators on whom the whole Christian community woul
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What we have in translation is just that, somebody else's interpretation of what they thought whatever manuscript they were translating from meant. Also, different Bible versions translate some words entirely different. How do you deal with this? First of all, the solution is not for every one of us to start writing our own translation, regardless of whether we can even speak koine Gr
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to quote textual critic Bruce Metzger… Bruce Metzger is a liberal apostate Bible critic, and anything he says is meaningless to me. He denies the authority and accuracy of many books of the Bible, including Genesis, Jonah, Job, the Gospel of John, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, James, and 1 & 2 Peter. If you would like documentation of this, I would be happy to provide it. By the w
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What we have in translation is just that, somebody else's interpretation of what they thought whatever manuscript they were translating from meant. Then how can you trust Thieme’s translations? It has already been exposed how flawed his “corrected” translations are. There are Greek scholars with far more education than Thieme who disagree with his “exegesis.” Some of Thieme’s “corrected”
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Thieme might not have agreed with every teaching of Zwingli or Calvin, et al, but nor does he insist on their illegitimacy or diminish their movement because they did not adhere to his interpretation of the Bible in the Greek. Zwingli, Calvin, Knox, Luther, and every Reformer fit Thieme’s description of a “loser.” They never had a doctrinal system anything like Thieme’s. It’s not just that “T
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The Thieme followers have been quiet for a while now, and it would appear they’re going to leave a lot of challenging questions unanswered. I’m still waiting for answers on the issues of “rebound,” “loser believers,” and “right pastor,” but it looks like those answers may never come. Whether it’s finding excuses to leave, getting oneself banned, or just disappearing from the forum, all of them ap
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That would be great, KC, if you could spend some time reading the Bible with your wife. Speaking from personal experience (and from what I’ve seen in the lives of many others), one thing that Thieme listeners really lack is consistent Bible reading. After all, Thieme’s whole doctrinal system discourages the people from reading the Bible. I think that starting some Bible reading (and Proverbs is d
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Quotekcjones...do former tapers have any suggestions on how to pry my wife away from the destructive ministry of the Theimes? Her mother is a taper as well so my bride has been one her whole life (30+), we live in Houston, but the children (1 & 2) and I attend a local bible church. She doesn't come, says it will screw up her 'doctrine', I try to encourage, but sometim
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Galiban wrote: Galatians 5:13-21 Does a great job of explaining the concept of a “loser believer”. First Paul states that the Galatians should not use their freedom to operate in the flesh. At the end he states that those who practice such things that are listed in the scripture will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not li
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Brainout wrote: Thieme also didn’t invent the term “winner”, it’s in Revelation. Thieme also didn’t invent “loser”, it’s in the “lose your crown” verse and other verses like it. The term “overcomer” (or “he that overcometh”) is indeed used in Revelation. It is a term unique to John’s writing. And from its use in Revelation (especially 2:11, 20:6, and 21:7-8 ) and his first epistle, it obvio
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Galiban wrote: Revelation 2-7. The “one who overcomes” eats of the Tree of Life. This by default states that some in heaven will not overcome. This is just another one of your assumptions, Galiban. John makes no reference in this verse to anyone in heaven who is not an overcomer. All he says is that the overcomer eats of the Tree of Life. Here is what John, the author of Revelation, has t
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Galiban wrote: A Pastor is not held accountable to the congregation. The Pastor Teacher is in complete control of his church and only answerable to God. The congregation should submit to his teachings as a slave to his master. Galiban, This is a cultic mentality if I ever saw one—the blind submission of the people to one leader. And you are certainly representing Thieme accuratel
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Some interesting developments here. Ephesians said quite a while back that he was posting for the last time (after he said he’d give us a study on “rebound,” which he never gave us). Then he comes back with a few more posts. And he says he’s trying to present his “rebound” doctrine from “building block one.” But again he never gives us his study on “rebound.” And now he says he’s leaving the foru
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The Old Latin was the Bible of the Waldensians, and history undeniably records the great antiquity of the Waldensian Christians. (For an excellent book on the Waldensians, see The Waldenses by Alexis Muston, complete text posted online at . For a shorter description, see .) Their Latin Bible predates the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts (the primary basis for modern Bible versions like the
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1 John 5:7-8 (King James) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:7-8 (New American Standard) For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agr
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QuoteyasminI agree with you Spiritualiberty. Wasn't the bible originally based down by word of mouth for over 200 years? Seems that quibling over single words in the Kione Greek OT is a little questionable. If I remember correctly , Jesus when asked what were the most important two commandments was pretty clear, in Greek, Hebrew and English, that one of them was love your neighbour as your
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QuoteHenryL Very good post Liberty. You are absolutely on the mark with your comments about about the Greek, Septuagint, and Hyper-Calvinists. Thank-you for your kind remarks, HenryL. Good to meet you. In Christ, Liberty
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It's been said a million times before, but I still am completely amazed that Berachah is considered a cult. Other things not discussed are the compassion Thieme had. Ephesians, People who are in cults stay there because they don’t realize it’s a cult. If they realized it was a cult, they would get out. And they can never understand why others call their religious group a cult. Cu
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