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11 years ago
GabrielVW
The purpose of this posting is to apologize! Clearly I had my own incorrect expectations and understanding regarding this discussion board… I also apologize for “flooding” this discussion with postings… I sincerely and simply only meant to address the concerns, questions and statements made in previous postings. And I never meant to give any impression that I had ALL the answers or that i s
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
In my undergraduate studies accounting was not one of my strong suits and is, frankly, of no interest to me- I trust the accountants who are hired by my church and the fact that they report to the government is enough for me personally (plus I know that there are others in the church with better financial skills then me who are keeping an eye on things!) And I’m not sure how (and even surprised
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
Thank you for your questions! There are three churches that fall under Revalesio Ministries (Newsong City Central, the Crossing Church, and Destiny City Church which used to be Clover Creek before the church moved from the Clover Creek area to downtown Tacoma). There is a board of elders that meet and the Pastors of the churches fall under their authority. At the time I was attending, the
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
I have NO desire to preach here!!!! And i do not want to post anything for the purpose of trying to persuade opinions here. I do however think this is a relevant point to be made regarding Newsong City Central. I STRONGLY recommend taking your questions or concerns directly to the leadership of the church you are concerned about. Anyone in ministry for any period of time will quickly understa
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
“anonfornow” claimed that Newsong “even indirectly” encourages members “to abandon family and friends.” This is so ridiculous that I’m not even sure how to respond. So much energy and time is spent in reconciling and restoring broken families that this statement is blatantly against the truth of what the ministry says and does. Again, notice the wording of the statement “encourages- even if ind
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
It was also said that members are made to “feel obligated to do choirs around the church”… again, this is false information. Newsong City Central shares a church building with another church and we needed to clean the church after each service and the task required many people- so those in charge of clean up are constantly asking for help to accomplish this task. I fail to see how requesting ch
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
To address Newsong leaders as being unapproachable… Newsong leaders (including the head pastor) are available after almost every church service at the front of the sanctuary to talk and pray for people. The church office is open throughout the week and the leadership are constantly meeting with church members to help them in struggles and needs. In any large church, the head pastor’s time will
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
Emily never mentions Newsong specifically, so I’m not certain she is talking about the same church. This is certainly not the ministry I was a part of for so many years! It was a solid belief that “the joy of the Lord is our strength.” (Neh 8:10) Emily, if you were talking about Newsong City Central in Tacoma then I would so encourage you to give a call to the church offices. If your daughte
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
I think this needs little explanation. If a church being a welcoming place and a place of “Acceptance” (for the person, not sin) is seen as a bad thing, cultish, or suspicious then the church in America is in grave grave trouble!!! “anonfornow” described this trait of the church as “seductive.” This breaks my heart!!! Jesus was the example of welcoming and accepting that any church should wor
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
Newsong prayer teams and “praying over someone.” This is potentially the easiest area of misunderstanding for many churches today. The way my Baptist, Lutheran, Pentacostal, non-denominational and PCUSA brothers and sisters pray for me is unique across the board!!!! Some find it important to “lay their hands on you” others feel strongly about praying silently while others usually pray out loud
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
One aspect of Newsong City Central that can be surprising and create misconceptions is the large percentage of members who are involved in ministries around Tacoma, want to become involved with ministry or are thrilled about the saving work Jesus has done in their lives. Occasionally new members will feel overwhelmed by the churches focus on raising up ministry leaders. Again, in my experienc
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
Those serving in ministries and leadership roles at Newsong city Central are strongly encouraged to gain credible Christian educations. Currently, over 60 newsongers (most of whom are serving in ministries at Newsong) are currently enrolled in seminary classes, working towards degrees at Faith Evangelical Seminary. This is to help avoid cultish and heretical theologies and practices and help be
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
I never served directly in this ministry area, but I have freinds who do and so will speak from that expereince. Newsong has a large number of outreach and support ministries. These include houses set up, with mature Christian leaders, for helping those coming out of a homeless situation, drug addictions, etc to have an environment focused on biblical teaching times, accountability and support
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
Newsong leaders are big on getting as much time with those they are leading as possible- this is seen as very important in helping those in their small group grow in intimacy and maturity with the Lord. Leaders will often invite those in their small groups to dinner, to help with yard work, to help with missional projects (such as working at homeless shelter). This is NOT a new way of leading!
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
The head pastor of Newsong, Brian, DOES seek the Lord for the message each week. And he does teach lessons that are biblically based and ones he believes are from the Lord. If a pastor preaching out of the direction he has sought the Lord for is a sign of cultism then the vast majority of the churches today are in a lot of trouble. I would actually be troubled if I knew my head pastor was not
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
I will be very blunt here- Newsong City Central DOES NOT DO DELIVERANCE MINISTRY!!!! Again, when someone bases what they know on rumor or misconceptions from an uniformed point of view, then you will see this type of label wrongly applied. Newsong makes it a point to avoid “deliverance ministry.” Newsong is about living in the freedom and love of Jesus Christ and having a reconciled relati
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
(please read my introduction paragraph first) As stated in the into paragraph, the materials for these classes are readily availableto anyone with an interest or concern about what is being taught. The books are available for sale on line and at the services. These materials are used by churches of several different denominations and are taught at YWAM bases around the world. These classes
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
An important note here: The church in California that was mentioned in a posting with the name Newsong has NO connection to the Newsong in Tacoma WA! AND THEY DO NOT share a statement of belief!!! To compare these ministries and their theologies is absolutely inappropriate. Simply going to the Newsong website would have informed that there was not a connection between the Churches. The quick
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11 years ago
GabrielVW
I thought I’d try to add a little to the conversation on Newsong City Central. Mostly though, I would love to be a resource for gathering correct information regarding the ministry. My name is Gabriel and I was a part of Newsong for over five years and have been involved in many aspects of the ministry. Currently I am a full time youth pastor at a church in Olympia WA. I completed the majorit
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