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11 years ago
firefly
1. re: br
Dear bopperev, In reply to your little rant... God isn't like us no, but some people are actually trying to be like Him- showin love to the broken and the hurting and the marginalised. Kirkby Christian Fellowship may label themselves Christians/Gods people but actually they just hurt people. Be very careful in where you make your distinctions, because contrary to our experiences of KCF the
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
I can certainly identify with some of the things you say littleyellow. Getting out of mindsets and patterns is incredibly hard to do. I don't know how long you've been out but i've found as time has moved on and i've integrated into the real world and decent churches that its lessened. When I came out if I saw anybody get up in the front at a church who wasnt the minister i&#
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
It was not my intention to be insulting-I was merely pointing out that Celticharp sounded like they had words put into their mouths, to use a metaphor- like a ventriloquist's dummy. I can only completely echo what Jacquie has said, and I think you said it really well that we are breaking down our fear and not remaining silent. Do you really think that everything that has been said in
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Celticharp: a wealth of insight? Your still completely blinded by them, you talk as if you were a ventriloquist's dummy. Firstly, don't come here on the attack- it's not at all helpful. You have a differnt opinion and thats fine, if you want to be respected then respect ours. Secondly people aren't just making their experiences up. It might be a hard thing to take when you&
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Tri, I absolutely agree with u on the jerry issue- made me so mad, as do most christian boycotts. I think part of the reason i hate boycotts like that is due to the fellowship war on everything. It was ridiculous what was banned, pop music, christmas trees, frogs (i mean for crying out loud?!!) and a million other things. The irony of it all is that the other christmas they put lights all over
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
By 'us' i mean my family (mum n dad really) and others who were blamed for some hideous things that its not my place to go into on here (or at all really) and other things like people leavin, when we left around 30 others also left within a year maybe of us goin, an the blame was put on mum n dad especialy.
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
I think we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that it's them. As we can't really go about proving it so there's no point. They blame us for loadsa stuff so lets sink to that level. Yeah i have my suspicions but as there is no proof- whaddya gonna do?
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Ok, i've browsed the wiki article- thanks for that mod. So tell me if i have this right, it's likelt his computer has been infected and is a 'zombie computer' which blocks his access to the site? is there anything that he can do to stop it? Or is it just a matter of time whilst it gets sorted by someone else? Feel like ive hijacked the thread a bit like, there aint been muc
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Morning all, Got this email off my dad (david_in_the_light) this morning: Quoteyo span. I've just found out this the server i use e.g. the local server, has been blocked out of the rickross web site. Someone in this area is deliberately inundating their server with unnecessary stuff to cause it to breakdown!!! As i say i can't get on the website at the moment.
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Hi Mike, i remember you (you probably remember we went went to school together) and of all the people, a few hundred YOU were the ONLY one EVER to stay nice to me after i left, an i know my sister could say the same. I went to the fellowship for 13 years, i was born into it. When I left people who i'd known all that time, people who'd stayed at my house, babysat me, played with me, wen
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
I remember there was a meeting for some of the youth and their parents once. I was too young to go as it was for people of a certain age, so I asked one of them what went on. Among the things they said to me, that Cheryl had asked the question to the parents 'if you backslid and left the fellowship would you still have your children come?' The answer of which was an expected, resounding
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Little yellow- how can u make a statement saying you hate all christians an then blame sum1 for 'attacking' you for it. It is not my veiw that you were at all attacked by the mods or by david, both were just trying to help you see something in a different way. Its almost too easy to go on the defensive on this site so sometimes you have to stand back a little and think things through, r
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
I doubt cheryl could use physical violence- shes only small and couldn't really pull it off. Mental and emotional ways of manipulation are more her style. Some people may end up in a sort of pupil-teacher control relationship but i think for the most its more subtle than that. As far as i'm aware cheryl doesn't put pairs togther, it doesn't really matter if they clash or not
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Hello littleyellowspider! Your totally right about who Doyle exploits. I take it your also an ex-member? Its horrible when you analyse it like that and really realise that these are people who need protection and to build up a support network of their own. Thinking that the fellowship is a good place to get both they join and are exploited and abused and mostly its done without anyone, includin
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Their website is back up- full of heartwarming little stories of how great they are. One line cracked me up- seriously this is there in the 'promoting God' bit: 'People look at us and we an demote God by our reactions and lives.' Ther dead right ther arent they! I think its also interestin how God can apparently be demoted in the first place- like He's just part of
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
either that person is lying, or is extremely low on the kcf social ladder. If your just one of the people who attend and have no influence- then that is probably how you'd be treated, because nobody would really be bothered if you left. I'm assuming nobody ever bothered to ask this person why they left- probably very few people even noticed they were gone. If however this person is/was
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Hi all, I agree in part with polar bear- AJG u do seem to have your own agenda going on. You appear to have left the offensive tho and have been more helpful in your last few posts- so i appreciate that. i think you have every right to contact kcf and get their side- there are two sides to every story, even ours. But if the reply ever comes (and i doubt it will because they read this site and t
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
It'll be interesting if KCF get back to you- unlikely, but interesting. I can probably guess even to the wording what they'd say, they're quite predictable really once you've sussed them, would anyone else agree? BBC i'm so sorry for what you've been through. But i think its brilliant that you are making positive steps and the real you can surface. It does make m
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Hi kennelwood, welcome! RRmod- thankyou for that info i hope it proves helpful to some people who are reading this forum. Nobody should be above reproach- asking questions is one of the parts of bein human, its how we figure outwhat is good and right and normal- and also if something is wrong and bad and how to put it right. You can't ask questions in kcf- why? Have you not got a brain
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Am i the only one who doesnt no what the heck this holy roller thing is?? I get the slain in the spirit bit- but i'm very wary of that now an i dont think i wud ever let myself be prayed for if ther wer people gettin slain in the spirit. If any1 doesn't know what slain in the spirit is- it means that sum1 prays for u an u fall down on the floor. There was immense pressure if u wer be
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
I think that with time you get hindsight and distance and that always helps to move on from things. So i think that in time we may become less defensive and critical? (dunno if thats the right word) but i don't think we'll ever just sit back and take everything in, and i think its dangerous to be like that. I don't believe that the other person has to forgive you, or say sorry t
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
i do agree that hurting people hurt people. After i left the fellowship i became a horrible person (i wasn't that nice in there but i got worse when i left, like really volatile and just plain nasty) especially in school where i guess looking back i displayed some of the controlling traits that had been ingrained in me from the way the fellowship ran. And i hurt people. I can also relate to
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
I found your comment very helpful bbc thanks. Do you think that cheryl actually believes herself? Does she actually think that its God tellin her to do these things to people? Or is she unconcious of everything that goes on as a result of her actions? Lotta questions on me mind- please answer the ones above if any. All of em are just things ive been mulling over lately. Firefly Han xx
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Why are you looking for cults? It's pretty easy to find em on this site, you just gotta look and there they are...
Forum: Hate Groups
12 years ago
firefly
AJG- if you've lost interest may i ask why are you still here? Genuine question, i'm not trying to get at you. These past few days this site and all the things connected with it have been heavy on my mind. Its such a bittersweet place here isnt it? Drudging things up that i've kept hidden and placed firmly in the furthest recesses of my mind- its hard. I really struggle with f
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
AJG- have you actually read through what we've been saying at all? I think that its quite clear (and correct me if i'm wrong anyone) that all on here are ex-members of this cult. I certainly don't aspire to get rid of Cheryl Doyle- that suggests that her 'throne' is empty for someone else to replace her. I would like to see the group dispersed and the 'church'
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
I think that was really well said onlyme and vassago. I know I have said things about people in the fellowship on here and whether right or wrong maybe i shouldn't have said them the way i did. It is hard to resist making them out to be ridiculous coz thats what they do. Speaking as a person who ignored people on the street before i left- the realisation of what i'd done and how it m
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
AJG- we have evidence of people trying to contact them with regards to their concerns and the fellowship blatently refusing to do anything. We cud even get medical evidence from various counsellors who have spoken to people on this board, and possibly other avenues of proper evidence that i haven't considered. Its not just 'Authoritarian behaviour by a leader, no matter offensive and h
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try a complaint to the charity commission. At the end of the day it's only them who can remove the status so we have to try.
Forum: Destructive Churches
12 years ago
firefly
Quoterichardmgreen Despite all of this, Xian slave owners used to justify their treatment of blacks with the Bible claiming that negroes were the descendents of Ham the son of Noah who's skin turned black because of a sin they committed against Noah. Please also note that many many christians were also among the abolishonists (sp?) who brought about an end to the slave trade, and got the l
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