between the thought and the idea I did not make it clear enough. by database, I meant, in shorthand a database of personal accounts, firsthand stories. as far as I know, no resource along those lines exists on the web. again, something modelled after Erowid which contains a variety of reported experiences and observations. the Rick Ross site does archive personal stories, I know, just not in
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the thing about the Better Business Bureau, LEC does not offer a conventional product. they trade in the intangible.
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I had some thoughts. I had one very ambitious ones. preamble: let me tell you about Erowid and a few other sites which have a database of personal experiences of psychoactive substances (in the case of Erowid a few non-substance-related practices such as yoga). for convenience, Erowid clusters experiences into categories such as Glowing Experiences, Car Wrecks, et cetera. so if you wanted,
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Quotesonnie_dee They have excessive amounts of literature that they must read and memorise. could you elaborate on this, please?
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Quotecorboy It is regrettable, but profound experiences can be engineered. I regret that more people do not know that they can engineer profound experiences for themselves. this has two aspects. first, not enough of us know to defend yourself against manipulators of consciousness. second, not enough of us know how you can engineer your own profound experiences at will.
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QuoteTemplarIf that doesnt work, hire a gun. :twisted: careful. if you say stuff like that, somebody might use that quote and take it out of context.
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they now have some of those little ads that pop up when you do a search on Google, for instance.
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Savernake, all computers (AFAIK) have jacks into which you can plug headphones even if they do not have external speakers.
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QuoteWhat a coincidence, that "The Matrix" is showing up on the board and that you mentioned that the directors of "The Matrix" took LEC. no coincidence. go back and re-read my post. QuoteI was doing some research this week to see how LE, Toltec Teachings (Carlos Castaneda), Yoga, Meditation, Telepathy, Martial Arts and The Matrix related together. to give a quick and d
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QuoteI had read several things about the W-bros sources. The biggest being Neo-Con. But also philsophies of Kirkengaard, Kant, etc. if Landmark wants to claim The Matrix films for their own, I'm not going to try to stop them. I heard from a friend that the Washowskis had done Landmark and when I did some research on the WWW the information seemed to check out. the information that Carr
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Toyer-- the director-writers of the Matrix trilogy did take LEC and, apparently, derive inspiration from same. (that and the "shocking plot twist" of countless prior sf tales.) (by a coincidence, did Carrie-Anne Moss who played Trinity, the female lead, had taken LEC too.) neat irony that the metaphor of the Matrix makes an easy metaphor for Landmark itself if you look at it that
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thank you.
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since LEC uses curiosity as a marketing technique I would like to make a flyer to pass out to explain just what will happen. I do need a very condensed breakdown concise enough to fit on one side of a flyer. day one, such and such happens and so on.
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Quotepatrick-darcydont forget to answer the poll. I would count "dump 'er" as a serious option not included in the poll.
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Andy, if you feel so strongly that your beef needs addressing, start yer own thread rather than barge in and corrupt the current one. someone seeking advice, okay?
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QuoteConcerned Oz5- What is the time span in completing all available courses from Landmark? Oz - There are 60 courses ranging from one night seminars to leadership programmes spaning years. 6- Do they expect you to do them in a time span? Oz - Landmark is a business that runs on cashflow - more people doing as many courses as possible. in addition to which, some people will take one o
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Quotecorboya profit driven entity like an LGAT, run by person who are not trained in proper discernment between genuine non-dual breakthrough vs dissociation could not provide the best environment for sorting all this out. definitely. Quote(One has to be careful with Wilber's material, as he is not a mental health professional, writes as a free agent, and has not, to my knowledge expos
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QuotecorboyCertain kinds of dissociation (disruption of normal conscious awareness) can be confused with spiritual breakthrough and healing, if a person is under pressure and in social situations where they're encouraged to get confused. I would not discount the reality of the breakthroughs. I do think that people unused (theoretically and experientially) to unsane or non-dual in which
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Concerned Oz, I think you mean basic HTML. I mean something a little different, more like a form for visitors to fill out which tabulates automatically the number of respondents from, say, Michigan, without intervention from me. I just realized I know of a site with a similar format so I will go ask them.
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I never did get around to finding out a free website provider or figure out what sort of software such a site would have to have.
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QuoteglamPeople still get hurt by them, every day (that ranges from ruining their relationships with loved ones to psychiatric breakdowns, which still occur). If LEC wanted to stop hurting people, they'd stop giving their "training" and pack it in. they fool you into hurting without recognizing it as hurt. I think it may have less to do with hurting than standing back. in my l
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Quotelandmark informs people that if they are taking medication of any kind to let them know in advance so that they can decided if u should take the forum or if they will reject u. they actually on rare occasion reject someone to take the forum. why would they do this if there wasnt a reason. i have spoken to people that have taken antidepressents because they were stopping smoking and t
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LEC! look at this naughty LiveJournal entry I wrote. please, sue me! make yourselves look like bullies. the more of us speak up, the more trouble they will have attempting to supress what we say.
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QuoteelenaSounds like Patrick's referring to some "excercise" taken from Mind Dynamics or Leadership Dynamics, (Sadism, Inc.), in which if a person made a remark such as, "I feel like sh*t," he was made to roll around in a pile of it produced by the other members. that sounds like something I may have read in a book about Leadership Dynamics called The Pit by Gene Churc
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S word?
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QuoteSeeming more awake or alive may actually be the effects of a euphoria, or high, brought on by a trance state. In this state people are highly suggestible, which is quite dangerous. Again, since my friend was a normally jovial person before LEC, to me this false high looked like mania. It was indeed horrifying. all points on a continuum, to me. I view everday sanity as a state between in
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QuoteI'm not trying to be obnoxious, I'm honestly not sure what you're saying. Do you feel people should not do Landmark? Or that, if they're aware and sophisticated, they should, because they can get something out of it? digression on my background with est and Landmark I have not done the training. one (possibly two... I have not asked my father if he took Landmark o
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in large part "what Landmark teaches" comes out of the participant. I cannot think of any other way that some people who do it can come out changed for the good, others not or overall less flawed than the person who came up with est. (he had what I think of as a partial or distorted enlightenment experience or one that he later distorted to suit himself.) the vague and general
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it bothers me that anyone who says anything remotely positive about LEC gets jumped on here. aware and sophisticated (when it comes to LEC in particular and in general) participants can get something from Landmark. my aunt-in-law does not seem any worse for it. some family friends I knew seemed to have gained from it. the for/against rigid categorization here bothers me. if nothing else
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kelkay1, you could also try the landmark_forum_grads and GuruRatings list on Yahoogroups. GuruRatings tends to attract a smart, articulate crowd and out of the six hundred members some most have had LEC experience, so you could also ask there.
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