QuoteLoelaWhat a jerk! That guard sounds like the type of person most of us try to avoid. and how would you know? he didn't have horns on his head. as he or one other of the guards said to me, he did his job and went home at night. the lover of a friend has commited various atrocities (torture, rapes, muders) in his home country. he now does respectable work for international agencies.
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QuoteLoelaHow would I get him on the nicotine patch if he isn't interested in stopping smoking? not sure. however that would offer an alternative to no more smoking and no nicotine at all. or perhaps you could get him on pipe smoking and progress from the pipesmoking to something still less harmful like the patch or nicotine gum. QuoteHowever, if I get in some bizarre (there must be mo
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QuoteLoelaThat sounds like a good idea. Asking probing questions should make it easier for her to open up and be 'authentic' with you (sorry, all this lingo is coming back to me). yeah, no kidding. like how you brought up commitment in the previous post.
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QuoteLoelaQuotenot that time, but during the my second stay in a mental institution, one guard tried to browbeat an inmate into admitting that she chosen to get put in there. to her credit, she won the debate. She probably didn't choose to be put there but maybe she chose to not be aware of the consequences of her actions and that's why she ended up there? my definition of choice
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Kastlefeer, on a factual note, popular rumor has it that the Wachowski's got involved with Landmark, not the Church of Scientology. I say, "popular rumor", because a LEC grad who looked into it says she found their names on the enrollment records. as for V For Vendetta (again, I have read the comic book but not seen the movie adaptation), as someone said, "all great art nea
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shakti, what did the film do to the original that you didn't like? I have read the comic book but not the adaptation.
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I don't and never did, consider it a conflict to post both there and on the board, I only like to function as an apologist of sorts to LEC and their policies. it doubtless suits their purpose to present themselves as paying attention to the criticisms leveled at them. on that online community, BTW, some informal coaching has gone on as to the best way to not appear too off-puttingly enthu
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the rest of the world seems to have caught up with them, too, though. all that corporatespeak. it sounds to me like they enjoy using esoteric language to make themselves feel special, as tend to happen in subcultures, and Landmark has one. as for the subject of this thread, I now feel a little guilty for posting a link to the reform group in a Landmark online community that I had joined.
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QuoteLoelaWhen I said "people just have to have the experience" I'm talking about people who choose to go through with a course of action rather than take other people's good sound advice and/or concerns to heart. I wasn't talking about experiences people have that are beyond their control... like dying. you and I may different definitions of what constitutes "ch
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QuoteLoelaYou are right about the past but not about now. LE did get me for about three years. For about three years I sucked it all up and spent about $1,400 for all the trouble it was worth. how could anyone have taken three years' worth of courses in Landmark and have spent only $1400?
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so you have decided to do that thing where, when it comes to your particular interest or topic, the rules don't apply.
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my mistake. anyway, you cannot categorize anyone making a statement about LEC as apolgogists or critics, either-or, the world doesn't work that way.
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Leola stated that she first divorced her husband, then met the Forum Leader, then took Landmark. if you don't respond to what people post on these messageboards as supposed to what you would have liked them to have posted, then you fall into that same error that you don't like, where you ignore the facts and go with what you like to believe. you also can't make a good argument i
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Quotemidonov123I don't believe that broken relationships and becoming independant are real breakthroughs in life. Loela actually said that she ended her marriage before she took LEC and not after.
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QuoteLoelaAcid Reindeer, what happened with your sister, and have you learned to accept what did happen? in early 2004 she decided on a course of action that really hurt me, in concert with other family members who had all done Landmark, est and/or the Forum (my mother and uncle had taken the Forum via their respective work and my other uncle had participated in est/Forum/Landmark in a big way,
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QuoteLoelaIf you don't want to go then follow your heart and don't feel bad about saying no. Only she can save herself. in contrast to this, I feel I did not do enough to help out my sister after she took Landmark. if I had to do over again, I would have taken the bus to NYC to speak with her a day or so after she had completed the basic course and came out of it spouting mechanical
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Quotenutrinowhere "mercurial thinkers" like William Jefferson Clinton appear to manifest the opposite condition.... e.g. "what is is"? basically, the way everyone talks on NPR.
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okay, yes, I distorted your meaning. speaking of people with extreme concrete thinking styles, that sounds like my mother. she had trouble differianting between possibly and probably and between probably and definitely. she would go from one state to the next to the next within the space of a sentence. QuotenutrinoAt the core of this I also suspect that there is some method the brain uses to
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Quotenutrino(not a bunch of colorful Osho followers eating mushroooms in Thailand and giving each other STDs) the use of iboga, peyote, don pedro, salvia, ayhuasca and similar "entheogenic" materials could play a vital role in something like "traditional psychotherapy".... recently I have, myself gotten very down on the use of psychedelics for recreational purposes. not just
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QuotenutrinoAlas, american culture isn't always the best place to transplant these activities BECAUSE we have our own deeply held superstitions about "near instantaneous profound change"..... seen from the outside such beliefs may be as untenable as what we see as withcraft, although we may unquestioningly believe in our own witchcrafts as fervently as tribal cultures believe in th
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also, Hope, you repeated a statement third-hand (from Rick Doblin to his assistant to your friend) as if factual. though I do not have any opinion of Rick Doblin (having not heard of him before your post) I know that information gets lost in transmission and that he may have said no such thing. even if he did, he doesn't represent the whole field of psychedelics researchers.
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oddity number one: this film doesn't appear in the Internet Movie Database. oddity number two: Robyn Symon also doesn't appear in the IMDB.
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midonov123, none of my posts to this thread have compared the relative merits of LGAT's versus taking psychiatric drugs. you seem prone, though, to inconsistency. on the one hand, you lament scientific ignorance, on the other, you don't seem troubled by the fact that, while clnical trials have demonstrated dangers connected with antidepressants, that they remain on the market. I can
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Quotemidonov123There is absolutely NO comparison to be made! Presciption drugs are given to patients when the benefits outweights the risks and there is a follow up by psychiatrists to make sure the results are positive. If the response is not as expected, the doctor will adjust the dosage or prescribe a different drug. This is medicine. you may have this subjective opinion, but the Wall S
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I really would like to discuss this in full, had we a general topics discussion area. for the record, HMO's did not come into the picture as far as what I described. in those days they did not exist. briefly, in the private mental institution where I had the misfortune to get incarcerated (the most prestigious in the country) "treatment plans" got made up in the following man
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QuoteHopeThe initial interest in what LE does has faded, though many are still wondering why this man committed suicide. It didn't make sense. Some wondered if he had stopped his meds. just to speak to the last statement. as reported in the Wall Street Journal: QuoteThe new analysis, which focused on 25 studies of nine drugs, found that children and teenagers who took the medicin
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I meant esoteric in the specific meaning of belonging to the Eastern or Western Esoteric Traditions. esotericism" versus the merely esoteric. like I said, you would learn by doing a web search on this and reading something about what this means. one of the universals of these traditions involves the preparation. in traditional societies, because you would have learned the tribal lore
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Quotejoe6For example, I can go down to the corner church and without any deception they will tell me "We will have communion and hand you some bread and wine and tell you it is the body and blood of Christ, who rose from the dead. It's all in the Bible. Here have a copy. We all gather to help each other pray to an invisible being to solve our problems." I can say "That'
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Quotelooking for helpHowever the LE Philosophy is totally contradictory to Christianity. It is more about New Age Mysticism. Landmark offers a Landmark-centered view of the world, rather than a New Age one. you make that sound so monolithic when more than anything, incoherence and diversity of memes (do a web search) which characterizes the New Age. relative to religion, the New Age has
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