Nice bit of guilt tripping but it wont work. QuoteI feel any other "details" would not result in any increased understanding of HAI or the people there and would only be for the voyeuristic perversion of those who are on this message board. I will not go there. If anything were posted that was fodder for voyeurs and perverts, Mr Ross would get it removed immediately. We'r
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The Price of Freedom Quote Freedom costs $500 per day < Lover_of_what_is > 02/07 10:00:42 I wanted to attendy Byron Katie's school She wrote LOVING WHAT IS It costs about $4500 for nine days about $500 per day I applied for a partial scholarship Response I got back; "Byron Katie is thrilled to let you know you will receive tuition assistance to att
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'Ive never felt so controlled' Some kind of trance technique might have been used on you. And...one thing often taken advantage of, is to con people into believing they are autonomous and giving them a mere feeling of power, while covertly manipulating them by using information that humans are more manipulable than most of us can bear to acknowledge. Most of all one can feel p
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Probably what is difficult about leaving the HAI web is facing the extent to which one has been used. Rather than admit the gut lurching impact of betrayal, it seems very common for people to deny that there is any such thing as betrayal and to turn the mess into some sort of erotic liberation philosophy that is (drum roll) There is a memoir by a fellow who was in a sex therapy cult that se
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If you're feeling that bonded with this dame despite her being 'a new girlfriend' then your shared history with her isnt all that long. So..ask yourself how you got so very bonded with someone who hasnt been in your life all that long, and who doesnt share your perspectives on how to operate a long term relationship. If this grave difference in erotic perspectives is enough
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This article might be a good reality check. Poly People I Can Do Without
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The abuses described on a variety of websites concerning Siddha and SYDA yoga are chilling. But what is yet more chilling is how many people would reply 'God bless this great path.' This blog is just one of many discussion venues by ex-SY people) has comments sections following many of the authors articles and no matter how egregious the abuses reported, someone would chirp "
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One author has a most interesting personal definition of charisma: 'I am using the term 'charisma' here in a special sense to denote that numinous personality change deliberately infused into the victim'. This was written about 30 years ago by Leonard Fischer/Agehananda Bharti in his Memoir, The Ochre Robe. He lived through the Nazi occupation of Europe and was horrified
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A very interesting discussion thread on Werner Erhard and Est is available here. Since Werner helped sponsor Muktananda in one of his early visits to the US and one person suggested that Muk incorporated Est tech into Siddha Yoga intensives, this thread is worth reading and pondering.
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And if others have utilized this same 'tech' and incorporated it into their own stuff and have not told you, then its possible to be affected by this unknowingly. At least one entity that presented as Hindu and not as an LGAT at all, reportedly incorporated EST tech into its system. So..how on earth could people affected by this know all the material used on them, if the EST tec
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Making these kinds of calculations is simple if one knows how to use Excel. The IF function comes in handy for all sorts of things.
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Others have been just as successful at this: Quotewell, according to the Landmark propaganda I recall reading, where Werner and a few cronies of his tried to redefine the word "Integrity" to mean doing anything you want to do, then this allows Werner to literally do anything he wants. Carlos Castaneda reportedly pulled the same thing, only he rationalized it as sorceric warrior t
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Anticult wrote: QuoteSo its all about filtering. Another image one can use is that of a plastic coin sorting gadget. You pour in a bunch of coins of varying sizes. Then you shake the coin sorter. It works using a system of chutes. Over time, all the pennies stack into the penny sized compartment, the nickels stack into the nickel sized compartment, and so on. Ive often suspect
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Thought Experiment Friends never make real friends sign the kinds of form whose text, from a post by Garden of Even is quoted below. What would you feel like if a FRIEND, a Girl Pal, or some person you're dating and getting serious about were to romance you, get your hopes up, and then, in a cafe, then push this across the table at you and say, 'You have to sign this if you want
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Cryonics has to be regulated. Otherwise, you'll risk having your ass frozen off. All joking aside, what are the prospects for successful resurrection if someone incurs freezer burn? What if the custodians of a cryonics firm succumb to the temptation to gamble in the stock market and are unable to pay the bills to keep everyone frozen?" In the event of a local disaster, what
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Just wanted to add a link to a smaller thread that's worth incorporating into this larger one: Byron Katie has a Gig at a Hospital Near Boston Oh, and here are todays gold prices. Gold Bullion 990.00 US dollars an ounce (This is not investment advice. Information is given for educational purposes, so that people will know what their bling is worth.)
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The ambitious guru eager for audience attention and the audience eager for the guru turn out to all be wearing shackles in the same chain gang. In the guru's case, the chains are just long enough so that he can sit in a chair on stage, a few feet above the heads of the audience. Meanwhile, the audience sits below looking upward, thinking the guru can set them free. But they are all
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Anticult wrote: QuoteThey say they are "Certified Facilitators" of Byron Katie... We need to ask an attorney whether, in the eyes of the law, there is a difference between 'licensed' vs 'certified'. Why say facilitators are 'certified"? Why not say the facilitators are 'licensed'? I am not aware that licensed professionals have to
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A tip about unsubscribing... Be careful and get some advice from a computer expert. Sometimes your wishes to unsubscribe are respected. Other times it can have the opposite effect. A computer teacher at school told us that some sites work arrange matters in such a way that if you try to unsubscribe, it signals that you're a potentially active contact. You get sent even more stu
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We are not empowering Katie. She can do that on her own--after all shes the one publishing books and DVDS. And getting so many loyalists that they proslytize her material in settings full of vulnerable people. I still have not forgotten how, after I revealed some sensitive information about myself and broke down weeping at a 12 step meeting, a lady, Member X, came up and urged me to ex
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Today's Prices for Gold Quote$972.00 USD per ounce. (Disclaimer: This is NOT investment advice. This is just a reminder of how valuable gold has become these days.)
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We are taking responsiblity for our lives and we are doing so by seeking to educate ourselves about these manipulative techniques. And by publishing URL links to such material so that others who wish to take this same responsiblity for themselves can come here and educate themselves as well.
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Going For the Gold Current price of gold today: QuoteGold Bullion 969.00 US$ per ounce up $26.00 from yesterday $961.00 (opening price) $971.00 (low) $961.00 (high) Public Service Annoucement--How Not to Lose Your Gold To prove that RR.com is a full service continuing education website-- not only is it wise to leave jewelry, checkbooks and credit cards at home, if enter
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We need to quiz a CPA about this. If you might want to donate your family jewels (watch, rings--not testicles, ha, ha, ha!)...and later see if its a tax write off, First, get those goodies appraised by a professional. That way, if your CPA tells you that the jewels you adoringly give to a guru are tax deductible, you can then state, with precision, what they're worth----cuz you
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More thoughts about tapering caffiene: Its a major commitment to taper off of caffiene even when you have a week in advance to do it. I ditched it cold turkey a couple of times to prepare for fasts during my peace movement days, and it sucked. The headaches are vile. But even doing a taper means you're focusing your mental energy on why you're tapering in the first place--the L
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Good. Thank GOD people know ahead of time about the caffiene issue. Those headaches are no joke.
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Additional thoughts regarding the list: QuoteQuote: caffeine (coffee, black or green tea, chocolate, soda) • sugar, other than what is served at meals • food between meals (unless doctor prescribed) • vitamins or food supplements (unless doctor prescribed) • non-prescription drugs (unless doctor prescribed) • perfume, aftershave • makeup • promotion or sales of any kind*** • Ja
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Quotecaffeine (coffee, black or green tea, chocolate, soda) • sugar, other than what is served at meals • food between meals (unless doctor prescribed) • vitamins or food supplements (unless doctor prescribed) • non-prescription drugs (unless doctor prescribed) • perfume, aftershave • makeup • promotion or sales of any kind • Jacuzzi, pool, gym (unless doctor prescribed) Subje
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Just going by the BK photos on her books and PR materials... I always thought her eye make up was excessive. I was reminded of an old Joan Rivers comedy routine? She tells how she tried to be sexy by wearing false eyelashes to bed, only to wake up because the eyelashes had slipped off into the bedclothes. Her husband is yelling, 'Bugs! Bugs!"
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One can find ways to discuss the internal affairs of a troubled organization, even if one is an outsider. But discussions of enlightenment are, in that context a distraction. One can discuss enlightenment forever and never reach a conclusion, and this will serve to distract from any searching examination of the troubled organization. For continuing education, here is an article is by a
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