Nativeflower and Campos : I disagree w/ Campos. I'd hooked my mind elsewhere for 15 years, and unwittingly had some vestigal cultic-magical thinking, lack of bullshit detector (big time!) affecting my life, with disastrous results! Writing it out, with the love felt for the 'family' relationships in the cult, albeit a skewed society, can help focus on the creative process o
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Hi Campos, If you click around on the internet, or on Rick Ross' pages about TM you'll find out who some of the mega donors were. To respect an old friendship, I won't post his name here.
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Hi again Martin: Oh yes, puh-leeze, DO tell about the beginning of the sidhis! Oh, goody goody, we'll hear a REAL movement story, not just the MMY version that always put me to sleep anyway. My sidhi training cost $3,000 in 1979.... I did the course 'outpatient' at a TM center, the first (and was to be only... ha!) time available for us lowly people living away from the elit
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Angela : Your experience is YOUR experience, it does not require justification nor comparison to the experiences of anyone else from your group. Sorry that you had such negative experiences with therapists. That only makes things more confusing. Even cult recovery therapists/ exit counselors have very little experience w/ folks raised in cults. It IS different from having been recruited.
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When I was quite young, my mother got angry w/ me when I asked "Does Maharishi have a penis?" :wink:
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:lol: tks Martin. Not time right now to respond. Yes, many overlaps. I was a Fairfield 'radical' young mother... speaking up for the rights of families, getting into it w/ Bevan over the neglect of the children. My (ex)husband intervened on my behalf to keep me from being 'kicked out of the dome'.. oh such a stigma! I rarely attended the group meditations anyway. g
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Martin : Look at this! We're missing so much! BTW, no, I was not w/ you & circus ring in Switzerland. My mother was in Switzerland though, including at the memorial service of "Mother Olsen", where those with vision could see Mother Olsen's spirit leading the choir at her own memorial service.... :roll: I was part of the Santa Barbara to Fairfiel
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QuoteAngela Was I so controlled that I didn't realize the extent to which I was being abused? Or, are people who try to tell me these things actually the ones doing the manipulation? That is the issue I constantly find myself struggling with. ........... Being raised in the group with no comparison of "norms," I probably accepted things that would otherwise be considered abuse.
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QuoteMartin-- What is it, what psychological blip on the ego-scene, brings about such conversion of thinking? still exploring the forum - maybe I am way off the mark, but I seem to be dectecting that there is a tendency to hold on to past bad experience, to constantly relive it, to continue to live in it, rather than to let go and move forward? Hi again Martin : Yes, the stories. Tks for
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QuoteMartin Perhaps I have a little to share that may be of value. ........ I am a seeker. I found a teacher who ........ Martin, Hi again, Sharing anything is of value. Thank you for sharing. Am just curious, what are you seeking? toni
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Hi Martin: Yup, it's all about the money, honey! I doubt we'd ever met, but probably have old friends in common. I'm one of the first Children of the Age of Enlightenment. Childhood initiate in the Olsen's house in '66.. oh, such status I once had because of my great honor to have been born to such a nobel calling. And then my children were a THIRD generation (
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My 19 y.o. godson and his buddy, followers of Falun Dafa from NYC, recently visited for a couple of days. They had just attended a Falun Dafa convention in San Francisco. They were so happy as the founder of the organization had paid a surprise visit. "We never know when or if he'll show up because he's so busy". The glassy eyed smiling faces of post-cult large group medi
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Sorry to hear about the abuse in your parents' group. That is so painful to process in the name of 'love'. Children look to their parents as guides in life. As I'd recently commented to my grown daughter (she was cult born), "too bad psychological health is not a prerequisite for fertility." From a variety of experts' the following was culled :
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Marc : The points you make are interesting. Personally, I've missed that particular propoganda. When birth certificates are filed, there is a section submitted for governmental use only - the individual and family will never be able to access that section. That section includes various demographic information. Anyone in my profession (Obstetrics) in the USA, daily observes that
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The methods, deception, exploitation, and the pain of recovery are universal. These links are from another cult-recovery site, specifically for those recovering from the Philadelphia Church of God. The recent publicized murder-suicide of young man from the International Church of God highlighted the similar methods between that Bible based group and the tactics and lifestyle within the Miracl
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:D
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It's about abusive relationships.. which essentially are one-on-one cultic manipulations. Rick addresses the individual seduction, promises, then broken, building up and putting down of a person in an individual psychologically manipulative relationship, same methodology of cultic recruitment, retention and fear of departure. Chilling. and true, as we all know. Would be an asset on a
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Per corboy's suggestion, www.bpdcentral.com The organization is designed to help those who are have someone in their life with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). Apparently dealing with a cult member is much like dealing with a BPD person, as the cult member goes in-and-out of the cult persona. Also, check out Rick Ross' DVD on controlling abusive relationships. Also has
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These excerpts were just sent to me. These are from Kalindi's workbook on relationships. "Illusory Love Binds You, Love of God Frees you" workbook #1 by Kalindi La Gourasana (search on google, a few esoteric online bookstores carry it) from the "Listen, Say Yes, & Act" workbook series Following are some random pickings from the Spiritual Master, the
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As Coz wrote : Psychopaths Sociopaths
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Hi DL: This does not specifically apply to so-called 'spiritual leaders'. Studies have shown that those who strive for powerful social positions, professionally etc, have a high level of testosterone. This applies to both genders. High levels of testosterone also increase the sex drive (also related to male pattern hair loss). Just a thought : does sexual exploitation reall
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The following link is from an archive of old documents about the TM movement. About 1/3 of the information on this link regards Chopra's split with the TM movement 'to live a quiet private life'. Simultaneously he was opening a Holistic Healing Center as part of Sharp medical clinics in San Diego. For the curious, some of the info on this link may be revelatory. The res
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Hi Solway & Momster : Your recent postings have me thinking ... So, agreed about being Authentic to one's self as Momster wrote. As Solways wrote, the most valuable members (per business skills, recruitement potential, or donation potential) are established firmly with support for following their deepest inclinations... filling an excessive OCD component for orderliness, or
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All those quotes from Depak Chopra are totally plagarized from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Transcendental Meditation teachings. They are just as useless regardless of who spouts those 'truths'. The difference in the presentation is only that Chopra remains dressed in western garb, his books are promoted in the mainstream pre$$, and he charges less for the techiques that Maharishi
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Had the sheriff deputy over again yesterday. There's already a history of a different cult problem in my neighborhood, was publicized in the press a few years ago. My attorney suggested installing a hidden surveillance camera at my house. Am going to a higher level of security clearance for incoming calls at home. oi! One of my children recently moved back home. In the morning
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deep sigh.... and a smile... Rick, Lucretia, Ultaware, Hsuchij, and others : Thank you all for the support, and validation to keep on. You guys are GREAT! Thanks for the encouragement. These $%)*^(& harrasments do get on one's nerves after a few months' steady diet 24/7. I 'cracked' after some other bad news in life. My children dream about Kalindi
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I'll take an eyes-open-educated options reality, that includes looking at BOTH the good and bad of anything - over an idealized fantasy/nightmare ANY day!
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Dear Kalindi and the inner "Circle of Six" OK... you got me; I'm tired of the harrassment. For anyone else who follows this thread... you might want to print out anything worthwhile. I'm deleting my postings in one week. Ciao, toni :?
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Well, looks like the postings are having an impact. Seems I was a naive about the abuse potential from this group. Just posted to help other family members be aware of this group, to help their MOL loved ones wake up. As mentioned earlier, the home phone harrassment (continues even after changing the number, call blocking, etc), the dead animals at my house. now also on my cell phone &
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and so it continues.....
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