I'm trying to edit the post but I don't think it's working. I meant David Jonathan D-lalio. I wrote George accidentally.
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Oops....it's David Jonathan D-lalio. Not George. It's the son. Sorry.
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There's a video from channel 9 . I'm not sure how to link to it. By typing in Jason Gmoser the channel 9 video appears. There's also a.news article. I think www.belloutoforder.blogspot.com has the best information and links. Anyhow the reporter discusses this ongoing investigation of five men.. David Jonathan D-lalio is one of them. So far they mention several under a
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justagirl, How aweful! The blog at www.belloutoforder.blogspot.com has information about this. I've just been reading it. After reading the article and blog it seems he is being investigated for taking part in a five man operation with the intent to sell child pornography images?? Then the blogger stated that cult members have tried to brush this aside as a "victimless crime"
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Meditating and food storage is not illegal. It does of course matter but it doesn't reveal the real problem with this cult. The real problem is that the leaders exploit people. Sexual exploitation is a very very serious problem. Even the responses of cult leaders to the complaints of sexual misconduct is exploitive. The fact that these leaders will attempt to analyze and judge and cond
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. Pnina, This is just hilarious. The legos are so funny. The ''are we bad'' video is hilarious. But the directions....we were howling. Omg....I'm still laughing. Funniest stuff ever. Thanks.
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QuotecorboyTo be a victim is to be on the receiving end of another person's mis-used agency. Making powerholders accountable for their mis-use of power is assigning agency where it belongs. That isnt being a victim, thats putting responsiblity in its proper place. Which is exactly what abusers are afraid of, hence their favorite tactic of trying to deny there's such a thing as vic
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So again...saying ''oh gosh I think I WAS A VICTIM'' is nothing to be ashamed of. Attempting to coax victims into ''re-writing'' the story IS something to be ashamed of. Attempting to coax victims with ''shhh...don't tell ...you'll feel ashamed...calling yourself a victim sounds so weak''...well...that IS something to be as
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Cult leaders try to impose FORCED CONFESSIONS on their followers. This is also a way to elicit shame and compliance. They sometimes keep letters or journals (Corboy posted about that. I'll try to find and re-post it) This is also a tool which they think they can use against their victims. Blackmail. Shame. The irony is that by doing this they are documenting THEIR OWN wickedness. Vo
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. One thing that cult leaders rely on is the feelings of shame that they produce in their followers. Any time that these cowards think they have made a victim/follower experience shame; they try to use that as a tool to gain and regain and maintain control. Shaming children is used in dysfunctional homes. It is also used by cult leaders. It's why the young men in the 70s who were part of th
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Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. 2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. 3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. 4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracie
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Here's what I'm also thinking. If there are youth who were so seriously brainwashed by Jack Hickman that they are still living in his psychotically created world then....wouldn't that delusion INCLUDE the idea that they should follow Gary Coons? If Jack fed them on this idea that he was god's mouthpiece and they BOUGHT that idea then...wouldn't they also BUY the idea tha
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I'm scared. I'm scared of the repetetive downplaying of the role that Gary Coons plays. I'm scared of the robotic and diversionary responses to any mention of Gary Coons. I'm scared of the apparent willingness by anyone and everyone to point the finger at anyone EXCEPT Gary Coons. I don't believe Gary Coons is ''a - traveling'' I believ
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Dissilusioned, I still think that Gary has the reigns at this point. Do the youth follow Gary's cues? I ask because everyone seems to believe that in the 1980s families were just doing their own thing and then ... voila .... 1996 Jack and Gary re-appear. But that wasn't happening. In the 1980s Gary and Jack and the older men who are now in this cult were very tightly conn
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Here's something I found while surfing the web.... Therapists working with men who were sexually abused in childhood have conducted clinical case studies and consistently reported findings on long-term problems including: 1)Guilt and self-blame 2)Low self-esteem and negative self-image 3)Problems with intimacy 4)Sexual problems, compulsions, or dysfunctions 5)Substance
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Presently this group is active. Presently Gary Coons who; is the ex partner of Jack Hickman; leads this group Apparently current members have re-written the oral history of the group. It seems they put their own spin on irrefutable facts in a way which makes PRESENT DAY LEADERS appear somewhat benign. .... aka .... blame the dead guy and former members for everything. In the late 1990s
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Dissilusioned posted: Pnina's blog about some of the teachings and things in actual writing (wasn't someone asking for facts) about the cult. There are also links to youtube with some incredible legos animations. I personally like the one about the passing of the seed with the person on the table.. awesome. . This is my baby. I am Freckle Face. My cajones are just not
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Marvin, Do you suppose that Gary Coons is responsible for the abusive environment that these children are being raised in, since he is now leading this cult?
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Marvin, True. In some ways we're all different while...in some ways we are all the same. We all have different and unique memories and experiences and yet.....we all have some things in common. Like....We are all aware of the fact that the cult has continued on in the tradition of its founder....Jack Hickman. And....We are all aware of the fact that Gary Coons has helped the
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SO GARY COONS WAS TEACHING ABOUT THE SEED AFTER 1996? By then all the ''youth'' would be human beings who weren't aware of the Newday article. Did only ''specially chosen youth'' get close enough to Gary....in order to find out SEED meant SPERM? ==================================================================== Did any young men ever ta
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I wonder if Gary Coons or H-ck people or any of them would try that trick on men. Do they take unflattering or embarassing pictures of men? I'm not accusing. It's a question. I wonder. It's just that birds of a feather flock together you know... I wonder if they blackmail any of their lower ranking members. It would be ironic if they did. Because...embarassing pictures
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During the ''re-invite'' a woman from Long Island went to visit the H-ck family. She attended an event where she somehow drank too much and passed out. I'd never known the woman to be much of a drinker but....apparently ...that night she was... And.... The H-ck twins let the woman know that they took lots and lots and lots of pictures of her while she wasn't awar
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I wonder what sort of ''special'' lessons the members of the ''inner circle'' are getting in regards to mikvehs and holy seed? I assume Gary Coons would be the one to offer those lessons.
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Gary Coons married Lynn Gatti. Lynn used to be a happy and content member of Florida's openly gay community until Jack died. That's when god told Gary Coons to tell Bill and Diane Gatti that he was supposed to marry their daughter. Who is Bill Gatti? He is the neighbor and good friend of the Bob Hicks. If anyone doesn't know who the Hicks gang are...then... then...here&
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Gary Coons now leads this cult. In 1997 and on he began to take over 'Holy Seed'' lessons. Gary is ''holy'' Sperm is ''seed'' Baptism was taught by Jack Hickman as a ''special private cleansing bath'' that jesus shared with his cousin john The community calls these ''mikveh''s.
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Quotedisillusioned1You know what else happened because God interceded and spoke to GC and MV? A youth who was supposed to be a clanhead had his clan given away. They didn't like him or his politics or the fact that he just didn't drink enough kool-aid or the same way that they did. So they gave his clanhead-ship (I have no idea what to call it) to ..... A Gatti! A Gatti who hadn'
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SO GARY COONS WAS TEACHING ABOUT THE SEED AFTER 1986? By then all the ''youth'' would be human beings who weren't aware of the Newday article. Did only ''specially chosen youth'' get close enough to Gary....in order to find out SEED meant SPERM? ==================================================================== Did any young men ever take m
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Bill Gatti is a clan head? Anyone reading this board wonder who he is or where he came from? Well we all know the H-cks clan and .... in case we're not familiar with the gang...there's a clip from a Newsday article which features one of their boys after he'd been charged with gang rape.... Apparently H-ck and Gatti were super close neighbors in Dix Hills. They lived on t
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How do you know WHERE GANON TOOK PLACE IN 1986 - 1987? The story Pnina told was for the purpose of DESCRIBING A VERY SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD. The time period was the MID 1980s. Pnina was born in 1980 Pnina's memories are of 1985, 86, 87.... how do you know enough to comment on those years?========================================================================= Also, why are you talk
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This is NOT what I heard I did NOT hear that it was an animal SACRIFICE NOT AT ALL NOPE NO WAY I heard that he was trying to demonstrate the proper way to butcher an animal because he was PRETENDING to be a rabbi and a rabbi he said, was supposed to know how to meet kosher requirements... Goodness...saying it was some sort of ritual sacrifice might frighten people. We don't want to d
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