Hm. I was recently given good advice not to post angry.But haivng waited several days, I am finding a need to post anyway. Firstly, I wish all those attempting to find Simon Kaldwell well. And hope the grieving families find peace and knowledge. Secondly, I continue to suggest that anyone communicating with someone who identifies themselves as a police licensed investigator, would do well t
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Hi Private Eyes. I am aware that confidentiality does not apply to missing persons. That is why i suggested scanning images of the missing persons, which are readily available on the net. You ignored this. May I suggest again, images of the child and adults who are missing would probably help others to identify them. Are there missing person images you can scan without issues of copyrigh
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Thank you for your reply, Private Eyes.I did feel that issues of confidentiality were and are germane to this discussion/thread topic. Note for those interested in communicating wth a police licensed investigator and wishing to check their credentials; as the title suggests, these people are required to be licensed and have a license number, which you can request before communicating. "P
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Hi,Private Eyes. Firstly, I very much hope that anyone having information that could lead to reunification of parents with their daughter and grandchild will do the right thing and let the police or others know where they are. I am a little concerned though that you suggest people PM you "in confidence" There was a dossier of information that was collected on the Jesus Christian grou
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Matilda, thank you for your kind words, very much enjoy reading your comments too. And thank you Blackhat for bringing a touch of Verity to the website. Kevin, I 'm sorry; the last post was not well expressed.I did not intend to indicate that you had behaved with anything but integrity.It was meant to be a general statement about the importance of maintaining caution on the web. Personal
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Hi Matilda, thank you for putting that so beautifully. We are all individuals posting on this forum, with many different view points.And as is obvious to anyone reading all the posts we tend to have very unique viewpoints on a variety of issues.( Personally, don't hate anyone on any of the forums.) Thanks by the way to Sisi for her kind post indicating that this forum does give good in
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Hi Zeuszor Sorry;am not very technologically advanced, but can tell you how to find it. The post is on the x jc site, Thread:Sharing personal info will stop now. Page 4. It says in part; "hopefully what we do in love will be seen as loving. I recall distributing egg tokens in India back in 1994 with another member of the community and experienced a near riot when the tokens ran out.
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Hey Zeuszor, I have been trying to write this and I don't know how. Philosophically our positions on peoples' right to privacy are extremely different,and I realize we don't have to agree on everything, but even so it does not seem fair that you have made a decision to possibly sacrifice other peoples' futures.Will people have more trouble getting jobs because of this? Los
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Zeuszor; please don't change your mind again.. Treating people as "things" who are of no value except in so far as they can be used to achieve an end, and with the basic belief that any suffering they incur doesn't matter, is not uncommon thinking in cults. If it is true that your dossiers include peoples' private bank accounts, medications they take,sexual info
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Zeusor, I am so glad you have changed your mind on this. Think it was back in 2007 that some of us first asked you to consider the harm that could be done by releasing peoples' personal information? ( By the way, Offended if you check back on the thread around maybe sept 2007, you will find that rrmoderator removed posts made by Zeusor containing members and ex members personal inform
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Oh yeah; they point out in the comments on the video that Derren Brown is saying STOP thinking about it NOW.. I'm probably missing a lot of stuff in there; but at least it gives an idea of the kind of embedded comments people can make,and very scary to see it in action.
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Here is an interesting short ( about 4 or 5 minute ) video of Derren Brown using conversational hypnosis to make people forget what train station they are getting off at. (By the way, if I typed it wrong, you can find it by putting in Derren Brown, Train and youtube in google search; this video has an ad at the end; sorry; with a quick look, could not find a "clean" one..) Maybe A
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I do come from a perspective that does not really believe in the idea of someone being enlightened in the sense of perfect in every way.though I may be wrong. Its reasonably easy to pass on words of wisdom, say the right thing, look wise and talk about how much you love anybody,(particularly if you never have to do anything to prove it) but its been my experience that people who can do this,qu
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lee 1983 Your posts are not making sense. You contradict yourself from one post to the next. (first you say: "I don't want to post on Dave Mackays forum because they collect IP addresses") then the next day in a "letter to Grace" you say you have posted on and been banned from the forum. Per Lisa at the Jesus Christian forum, this is not true, as no one has been banne
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Lisa Simpson from the jesus christian website asked that someone post that she has not recently banned anyone, and that she does not know anything about Lee. Kevin from the ex jc website states that the has not written any letters. In small groups, generally people are easily identified. Grace, my group caused harm, but I still feel grief and love thinking of them all. Wishing you all
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Hi Lee. I don't think you are understanding what I am trying to say.Sorry i have been unclear. Three websites for information 1 David Mckays' Jesus Christian website ( which you said you have already been banned from on another thread?) 2.This website, run by Mr. Ross. Anonymity is protected by him. 3. A website run by ex jesus christian members, open to all. It is called
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Lee, this is not David Mckays site.It is run by ex members, though anyone, including members, is welcome to post. You can speak to a lot of ex members there, if that is what you want to do. All the best, Yasmin
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Hi Lee. I think if you are after conversation with ex members, you will probably have better luck at their site; I think Kevin who you refered to posts there .Also, you can get a lot of information from reading the long thread. All the best, Yasmin
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hi. As some one recently pointed out to me every small voice counts, so here goes.While most of Oprahs' beliefs leave me cold, I am actually grateful that she has been willing to bring the autism causation discussion more into the mainstream. Like any medical intervention, vaccines carry both advantages and the risk of side effects. Rather like eating peanut butter. For most people a won
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Heartbreaking to remember the horrendous cruelties humans can inflict on other humans. Remembering the truth is one way of honoring the dead. Unfortunately attempting to deny unpleasant reality does not change it.
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Hm. Well so far the Anticult has not charged for us to go to a seminar to get his/her wisdom, (s)he has not promised to help alleviate suffering, and (s)he hasn't required me to give him/her my most valued possession to show how well I'm doing ... jgf 75 suggested that "when participants walk into an intense workshop, of any sort there's a certain degree to which I belie
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There was someone who was telling me once about something called "locus of control". He said, some people believe that things outside themselves are responsible for all things that happen in their life and they don't have much control over anything.( For example: I passed the test because the teacher liked me, or I failed it because the teacher didn't like me.Whether or not I
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tao of duh: If you spend a lot of time practicing believing that evil things are okay,and you shouldn't do anything to judge or change them, then in time you will become the kind of person who can stand and watch while evil is done, and think that it is okay.
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Anticult; thanks.That makes a lot of sense. Definitely agree that being able to say No is crucially important; you are right that strong boundaries and being able to be impolite to people trying to recruit can be very necessary at times.
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i'm not sure how to express this properly; but on the issue of flowery language versus bluntness: particularly in groups where secrecy ( where do those 10 000 dollar donations go?) is part of the picture , honesty is crucial. But sometimes gentleness is also helpful in cult recovery. To be blunt here; in some groups particularly those that practice versions of the "Hot Seat" t
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I suppose when it comes down to it, that it is all about checks and balances.When they aren't there, problems are far more likely to occur.
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Very much agree with Corboy. I think there are different types of people that become gurus, and I think there are definitely people who start out believing they are helping and do not know how to handle power, and end up producing a huge mess. The real benefit of learning to do therapy properly, through an accredited college/university degree , IMHO, is that it teaches ethics and boundari
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It is often a good idea when someone who is not in a one on one committed relationship to you,but is extremely keen on getting you to break down your sexual boundaries "for your own good" to figure out, exactly what is in it for them? Have found in the past that if you ever feel like someone is trying to push you further than you want to go, it is often a good idea to say "No&
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Hi Luthergrunge: I think perhaps it is more often subtle than invisible. Don't know much about Gurdjieff Groups, so can only give a general example; Jonestown/the Jim Jones cult, recruited a lot of bright educated people, including at least one lawyer. It sounds like for the most part , group members believed in the high ideals of the group; racial integration and helping those born i
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Hi Kier, True. And for those of us born and raised, we are actually talking about our real/blood family; brothers, sisters, mothers or fathers for many of us are still in the groups we left. I sometimes think it is why things are a bit different for those born and raised versus those who joined groups as adults.Born and raised kids/2nd generation kids were never love bombed or conned into th
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