Obsessed? Me? :lol: You're damned right I am! I am not going to let the people who have screwed with my life and that of my girlfriend, her friends, and family get away with it. The truth will out. I cannot let it go, even though it would certainly be easier to walk away from it. It is hard, but I feel as if I have no choice in the matter; I must pursue it and expose these people
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I'm waiting for some sort of special status from Amazon to be awarded to me. I was checking today. In the past two months I have ordered 19 books related to cults!!! :lol: Ellen, about the books you mentioned... Please tell us a little more about them. There are only two customer reviews on Amazon about "The Wrong Way Home" and I gave up looking for "Game Free" after
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In the section Getting Help/Coping, Rick Ross mentions four books as being perhaps the top four: - "Cults in Our Midst" by Margaret Singer - "Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism" by Robert Jay Lifton - "Influence" by Robert Cialdini - "Snapping" by Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman "Cults in Our Midst" and "Influence" are
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The part that totally freaks me out is how these LGATs are able to re-interpret someone's frame of reference so quickly, to the point that they reject the intimacy and experiences one has shared with another person in a relationship. Now, we are talking about all sorts of relationships - with boyfriends or girlfriends, with husbands or wives, with mothers and fathers, with children. Wh
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QuoteBut how can anyone explain that to another? Are you suggesting that non-ordinary states of awareness are fraudulant simply because you haven't experienced similar (yet)? And is it that you are mad that forums of people exchange their experiences and talk about such things that don't fall into traditional scientific paradigms? Are you saying that past lives are not real? And
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In my experience, my girlfriend, not once but twice (!), was told that she needed to abstain from sex for 21 days so that her energies would not be messed with by me, and in so doing she would find the goddess within!!!??? :shock: The LGAT leader used as his source for this theory the writings of Carlos Castaneda, Merilyn Tunnenshunde, and Florinda Donner. Castaneda and Donner appear to h
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Quote"He believes the next step in human evolution is from Homo sapiens to the "awakened man" who marks "the beginning of the emergence of a new, evolutionary branch of mankind called HOMO SPIRITUS. Hawkins states that he can clearly recount past lives from that point onwards when he reached a certain consciousness level (600 on his scale). In seminars he sometimes gives s
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So, John, as I suggested to you, your story could help others. I can now tell you that is true because it has helped me put a few more pieces together in my personal story... My girlfriend did a four-day course with a con man, who used all eight criteria for mind control on participants. He also sold her a second four-day course for the following weekend. When she returned from the first co
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Okay, here it comes, a long breakdown of the writings of the man who attended the Warrior Camp at I copied most of what he wrote, leaving out only those parts where he refers to friends, with no specific mention of the processes at the camp. So, to begin… QuoteWhile at the Millionaire Mind Intensive, I learned about Warrior Camp. I was told that I would learn the secrets to being strong a
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I had to add this one from Amazon: Reviewer: Mike (California) - See all my reviews If you've read Life 101, anything by Stuart Wilde, David Bach's recent bestseller, Rich Dad Poor Dad, or Think And Grow Rich, you already know everything in this book. Eker took other people's information and compiled it into this book (and on CD, and made little affirmation cards, ad nauseum)
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It took some searching, BUT I knew it had to be out there... This is a review from a reader on Barnes and Noble for Eker's book called "Secrets of the Millionaire Mind". QuoteWesly Engals, reads a lot of business books, 03/01/2006 Tries to get you to a seminar that is kind of like a cult I read this book from cover to cover and thought it was just ok. But I registered
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I don't know the format of what happens on the Enlightened Warrior camp weekend, but all the familiar language of an LGAT is littered around the website. There is so much of the stuff we hear from other LGATs not to raise any number of red flags. More information is needed on this group. Forget all the best seller stuff, because so too did L. Ron Hubbard sell well and his ideas on Scie
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Hey John, Please DO write about the recruiting process and the indoctrination "experiment". Learning how these groups get their hooks into people is valuable information. One of the best ways to counter them is through educating ourselves. So, what you have to offer is valuable. I look forward to your detailed description. Thanks, Brad69
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Ginah, your post is SCARY. But let's take it beyond children. Why should the potential for death or injury exist for anyone on any course? Surely, the life of any individual, whether a child or an adult, is sacred, and no risk involving the potential loss of a life should be considered worth taking. That is sick!
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Ginah, by pushing men to participate in activities they would under normal circumstances not consider, MKP is opening those participants up to make greater concessions later on. Eventually, it comes to the point where the men then do things without question. It is a well known tactic. Once in that position, participants become more pliable and suggestible. They are then very open to coercive p
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Creating your own reality? Are we all responsible then for child abuse, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, road rage, alcoholism, drug abuse, manipulative LGATS? They exist in our world. Did we all get together and decide to make up the same reality? :shock:
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The subject of transparency (such as the provision of names at Landmark), but extending way beyond to methods of work on courses and qualifications, should be of primary importance. With little or no legislation governing who may or may not present human potential seminars, they are open to exploitation by all sorts of charlatans. Surely, the presentation of one's credentials, in blac
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People, such as Forum leaders, so-called gurus and teachers protect themselves so well with the "you create your reality" idea. What is so concerning is that when things do go wrong for participants or followers they seldom look to the leaders as the source of what went wrong. Instead, thanks to the coercive persuasion used, these people are put on pedestals - they couldn't
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Good to see you on the boards again, Corboy! This idea of "you create you own reality" and "there are no victims" goes hand-in-hand with another commonly used expression: "There is no right and wrong". I have a problem with that. If I venture out into the street with a gun and shoot someone, does "there is no right and wrong" apply? If I drink
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I see the "What the Bleep" movies are sometimes used as sources for the idea that we create our own realities. However, there are certainly many questions surrounding them. They were, after all, funded by the School of Ramtha and the very questionable JZ Knight. See the following link: Also see the following thread: Some of the so-called experts used in the movies appear
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Brain chemistry changes do take place. Just how similar they are to the changes caused by drug usage, I can't remember. Information on this can be found in the excellent book "Snapping: America's Epidemic of Sudden Personality Change" by Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman. Unfortunately, I have lent it to someone so cannot access it now, but the subject is dealt with in the bo
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Thanks Midonov123. Strangely enough I was wondering today what had become of you on the boards! Your link is indeed an interesting one. On that thread there is a good explanation of existentialism by Coldnosesandfluffytails. It makes for interesting and educational reading and is the kind of thing that one can use against the perversion of creating one's own reality that exists in
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Maybe he needs to be cleared of some demon thetans that have invaded his psyche. Or is it that thetans are misguiding the leadership of Paramount? :wink: Forget the Illuminati. The thetans are taking over the world! The end is nigh!
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To my mind, one of the most dangerous and misused ideas in LGATs is the idea of You create your own reality. Now, I understand that we create our lives, but, it seems, many LGATs would have us think that the reality we perceive is nothing more than an illusion - we don't need to buy into it! Well, I know if I take a 20-pound hammer and hit 20 people as hard as I can on the big toe on t
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And another article: BEYOND CONFORMITY AND GROUP THINK by Andre B. Heuer The scent of their cigars reached me at the same time as the cacophony of their voices. "You're a asshole." One shouted "No shit, I'm the biggest asshole you've ever met." They bumped chests and roared. As this mass of loudness passed, I heard insults and derisive remarks about everyb
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Another article: Shadow of Initiation by Dale Roads Mircea Eliade says modern efforts at initiation indicate our lack of spiritual knowledge rather than being initiatory. In my experience of initiation efforts in the men's movement, the New Warriors are a clear example of this tendency. I am deeply disturbed by what I have heard from men who have gone through the New Warrior trainin
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There is an interesting article on NWTA at Also, see (linked off of the article), a man's experience of NWTA at
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ConcernedSis, how are things going? Anymore to report? I hope things are settling down and you're finding some understanding and peace. Best wishes.
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Maybe heading a bit off the subject, but I thought I would post this here anyway: What a LGAT does to a person's emotions - summarised in a 'conversation'... So, I'm working late on a Saturday afternoon (17:00) here in South Africa, having driven to a city about 50 miles away from my girlfriend. So, I phone her up to ask her about her day. "Hi. How are you?" I
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Nutrino asked: QuoteDoes their vocabulary grow or does it shrink ? Are they emotionally fuller and deeper, and comfortable with their emotions, or do they become emotionally "grey" and simplistic.... do they have the confidence to allow themselves heartfelt expressivity or do they emote in programmatic ways ? Do they appear to be fully thinking for themselves or does it seem like some e
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