That's great! But check on your definition of integrity. Or did MKP have to redefine it for you? If you're happy with a group coming before family, then I suggest you check your values. Also, check on the real stories of real people on these boards. See how MKP has come between them and their loved ones. Read about methods of coercive persuasion - you don't have to find th
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"The Secret" - which I haven't seen yet - talks about the Law of Attraction. Esther and Jerry Hicks were involved in the movie which, much like "What the Bleep?" has attracted a bit of a cult following. "What the Bleep?" was shown to have many holes in it. "The Secret" is pretty new out and I have as yet not seen too much written on the veracity o
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First up, I don't have much knowledge of their work at all. The only thing I want to say is that Esther Hicks when 'channeling' Abraham has an incredibly false-sounding accent. If Abraham is speaking through her, he has the strangest voice, mixed with a number of influences, that I have ever heard.
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I took the time out to watch the six parts of the Landmark Forum documentary. It has left me with a queasy feeling. There are some good points made by experts on how participants are manipulated, plus the visuals are enough to back things up, especially those where people are used as volunteers. The abusive tone adopted by the course leader is sickening. He hardly seems interested in hearin
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From the Oneness University website: About Amma Bhagavan Loved and worshipped by millions, Sri Amma Bhagavan are avatars for enlightenment and God realisation. (Where does the proof of millions come from? Why are they worshipped and put on a pedestal? Is this not unhealthy and worrisome behavior?) They are one single avataric consciousness in two bodies. (And the proof of this claim
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QuoteWhatever image you add feeling to will manifest. If you fear something, you are adding energy to it. Anything you fear or love will tend to be attracted into your life. Choose your passions wisely. It seems to me that the Law of Attraction used in The Secret says we should let go of the idea of anything we want and then we will have it. I see a contradiction in this thinking. Let's
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Hongabckong, thank YOU. Your compassion in reaching out in, picking up the phone, and over three hours, sharing your experiences, revealing the truth about this man as one who subjected you and your family and others to the greatest cruelties, is so appreciated - from my heart to yours. May your healing continue in leaps and bounds. You have helped me to take a step forward in my own healin
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Jason, there are many threads that poke gaping holes into the things taught at LGATs. Look over these threads, you will find lots of interesting and useful information. The thing is to use it at an appropriate time. That means waiting for the right opportunities. You might have become aware of two personalities in your girlfriend: a pre-LGAT personality and the one they have tried to instal
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I agree, Skeptic. So often people who have been through LGATs might do something that is generally regarded as poor manners. But now, to get past taking responsibility for their poor behaviour, they use what they are taught in the LGATS: "That's your interpretation". They say we must change how we interpret the behaviour and then there is no problem. What simplistic thinking!
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Hey hongabckong, Thank you for posting! Seeing your description of him, you know him. I would be keen to find out as much as you can tell me about the man. Unfortunately, a lot of people who have been hurt by him have chosen to move on, rather than go through more hurt in dealing with what he has done. Others would prefer to remain anonymous. Your story, coming from Hong Kong, backs up
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Hi MDLF For some or other unknown reason, I haven't seen your post until now, and I have been on this thread! Anyway, to address some of what you said, and I can only speak in terms of my story, I will first start and say I am not crying "Cult!", but I am crying "LGAT!", and you will see from the number of posts that it is LGATs that have drawn the most responses on
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Some interesting stuff at this link that questions Kiyosaki's integrity, methods and beliefs:
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I am glad for you that you had a positive experience at MKP, but it has caused many casualties. Look at how long this thread is! Some people might be ready to experience what MKP offers, while others may not. Going into the first course, participants don't know what they are in for. If they did, some people would likely stay away. Maybe transparency is a partial answer to prevent casua
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Hi Brenda, I found this off of the Oneness University website: QuoteLoved and worshipped by millions, Sri Amma Bhagavan are avatars for enlightenment and God realisation. They are one single avataric consciousness in two bodies. They represent the Divine feminine and the Divine masculine. Together Amma and Bhagavan power the process of enlightenment of the individual seeker as Yin and Yang, s
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An insightful view of the problem with so much of the teachings of LGATs, Skeptic. It seems, to me, that there is too much focus on me, me, me, and little concern is allowed for the possible affect of a participant's self-centred actions on those around them. Very narcissistic! Sure, people may choose to react to situations as they see fit, but if I was to bash someone on the big toe
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Thanks, magnumpi. What you called a 'ramble' was useful. There is much pseudoscience used in LGATs and 'human potential' organisations nowadays too, and the effect as you so well describe it - 'gradually losing our touch with reality', 'fanciful thinking', and 'utterly devastating' - is spot on. This pseudoscience cannot be properly backed u
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Hi Jason. How many seminars has your girlfriend attended? Just trying to get an idea of how deeply involved she is. The next steps you take might need to be calculated in relation to how deeply she been pulled into the trap. I cannot stand seeing this type of story. Sadly, yours is not unique, but at least with this having happened to many of us on this LGAT board, there is hopefully some g
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I have just finished reading Wendy Duncan's Book on the Trintity Foundation, "I Can't Hear God Anymore". I feel it has some important things to say.
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From 10 warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader: No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. The continual deleting of posts linking David Allen to MSIA should be cause for concern. Because of the regular occurence of this, it cannot be construed as a mistake. Allen avoids answering the questions raised, and then cyberscribe, listed as admin and GTD staff, also avoids them
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Your son sounds like the kind of person who should avoid MKP like the plague. (Then again, I would recommend everyone avoid MKP). Really, he does not sound as if he is in the kind of emotional state to be put through the processes used on MKP and those processes are well documented on this thread. MKP follows a format that is similar to so many other LGATs, as can be seen from these message
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Call me crazy, but I will not put my trust in someone whose qualifications are questionable, if not outright lies. While Hawkins has lots of verifiable qualifications, there are others that are questionable and others that appear to be false. Why would such an apparently advanced person lie about his qualifications? I could not look up to such a person. If he lies to me about his qualifi
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Well, it's been quite a surprise to see my story lifted to the front page again! So, I thought I would update it. My girlfriend, after first agreeing to go through everything that was done on the courses she attended, pulled back from it. Obviously, people, especially when they have been in these types of situations, need to do things when they are ready and she hasn't been ready. :
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Maybe I have a very simple view of things, but it is my understanding that only God can deliver judgment on others. If someone like Ole claims to be speaking directly from God (!), then his actions should be beyond question - he should be walking his talk! I am busy reading Wendy Duncan's book, and have read The Dallas Observer reports on Ole. All I can say, from my removed viewpoint,
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In LGATs, oftentimes some sort of presentation on Quantum Physics is used. The teachings and conclusions presented are often weak at best. Thanks to Anon 0820, I found this excellent presentation by Asoka Selvarajah. It can either be read or downloaded as an audio file at He also discusses how the self-help industry is presented and, at times, misused. It is called "A Self Help Rea
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The question needs to be asked, so I will ask it: Does Judge Edward Fadeley have any affiliation with Landmark at all? The way he describes Rick Ross echoes the smearing he speaks of. Ironic, isn't it?
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Not quite! But I am obsessed with the truth about what these people are doing. I admit it. I am obsessed. :roll: I'm not about to wait for someone else to do something about it. Here, in South Africa, people know so little about these things. We don't, for instance, have exits counselors. People don't know about the red flags to watch out for. Resources on this stuff, f
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I have come across suggestions of this in a number of places... On some LGATs, it appears people are put through some processes to find their "word" - a single definition of who they are. This process is nicely manipulated and, it appears, defines the breakthrough, more accurately known as the breakdown. For my girlfriend, this involved meditating through the night until 10 the ne
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Cognitive dissonance is something that is prevalent in accepting the teachings of people about whom there are questions. In David R Hawkins' example: There are plenty of questions about the validity of his qualifications. But, as is obvious from this thread, some people believe him to be an amazing teacher. So, how do they reduce the dissonance created by his wonderful teachings as opp
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I received five today!!!!! :lol: I am also reading the other one online. :roll:
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After reading Ellen's recommendations of books to read, I paid a visit to Amazon. In one of the reviews for "Game Free", I found mention of a book called the "The Ever-Transcending Spirit" and in the review I discovered the whole thing could be read online! It deals with how we form our personalities and how we interact in our relationships. It is amazing and can be
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