I disagreed with Run's assertion that butler's coercion in this case serves the greater good. That seems counter to the aims of this forum. There never is justification for coercion. What was false & misleading? When you silence other perspectives, without presenting logical counter arguments, that means you have lost Rick
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This is my last post because The CEI thought police deleted my post. Your Pathetic
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Hi Everyone I'm sure you would have guessed, but word is out that Butler has instructed all the "A"s to get injected with the experimental Vax. He would never take it of course. Once again you have to be ready to die for Butler. Under Lockdown everyone can experience what it's like living onsite under butler's Health Czar. Yes! Health Czar, there were informe
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Hi Frozen Nick I just stumbled upon your message From what you describe you have been visiting one of Chris Butler's centers. All the people on this blog have been emotionally traumatized by Chris Butler and his group. I commend you for your investigation into spiritual matters. You have made the right assessment, get away from these people they are spiritual death. Good luck Dudl
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Dear Truth Wins Today I received a messaged from a devotee in India that listed 30 bad things that Tamal Krishna Swami did in his life time. Many unforgiveable things and how he hurt so many people. When I discussed it with a friend I realized that dwelling on another fallen soul and there bad behavior isn't going to help me or help those people I meet along the road of life. That'
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Rama Ransons mother and late father were apart of the Muriwai Farm community an would know that it was owned by a group of directors or financial contributors. Not ISKCON. Pat Bowler being one of the main people. There was a friend, business colleague of Pat Bowler who also was a director. Around this time Pat Bowler was in court for marijuana drug trafficking but got off jail time due to the hel
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It’s all about the money. 30 million in ASMY account. As far as being connected to the parampara/ or Krishna. You may not know this but Tusta’s farm at Muriwai NZ was created for ACBSP. Prabhupad draw sketches of how the temple would look and gave advice on many areas of its running. Like “always look after the cows”. We have found a letter with that specific request. Devotees there believed
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Re cows being sent to slaughter house on New Zealand farm. It was the practice of the lead farmer “Long Dave” to swap baby male calves for tractor parts with local farmers. They would not have lived out there days on those farms. They would have most definitely ended up at the slaughter house. And when the farm was disbanded who knows we’re the herd of cows went. 30 years later a devotee
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A friend is telling me that most members of SOI believe Tulsi Gabbard is a pure devotee. Some believe Nitchy Hanson is also a pure devotee. Its only logical that butler must have said something, he has decided to give pure devoteeship to these people for services rendered. I believe that this is another foolish decision he has made. What is Tapas, Acharya, Balakya and RKd going to do, to have
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Hi everyone Today I was texted by a friend some key details for those that want to know the history of chris butler and tusta krishna das’cult. On 21st of April in 1976 ACBSP was on a morning walk in the Melbourne Botanical Gardens. A person called Gurukrpa das was questioning ACBSP about an Siddhaswarup and his group, ACBSP stated “ siddhaswarup, what can he write he is not liberated” this
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Unfortunately, in this Age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vai??avas, and ?r?la Bhaktivinode ?h?kura has described them as disciples of Kali. He says, kali-cel?. He indicates that there is another Vai??ava, a pseudo Vai??ava with tilaka on his nose and ka??h? beads around his neck. Such a pseudo Vai??ava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vai??
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hanson Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello again, > > Thank you for the few responses to my post. It has > taken me this long to pluck up the courage to > write again but its a lot worse than I thought > with the Australian side of things. > > i just need to ask? How do we stop this... but > without incurring risk to our ow
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Exactly, Now he preaches pro abortion through his Presidential candidate. And the followers blindly follow. Why because he is Gods representative
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"I will continue to smash anyone who comes here playing apologist for bhaktivedanta" The bullied becomes a bully.
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Ian you have become the person you rant against.
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You have become the person you rant against.
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Dear DaWatcher With regret I believe there is no room on this blog for differing opinions and respectful dialogue. Posts over the last few days convince me of that. People may be in pain, I understand but all the more reason to be kind and polite to others and their shattered lives. The forum will never reach its goal of shedding light on the Chris Butler cult. If the members think they own the
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ASMY is a polygamist sect. A close personal friend told me in the 1970's that Butlter had advised him it was okay to have more than wife so long as he didn't ill treated them. He is not with either of those woman now. Butler has advised some other male followers that it was okay to have more than one wife as well. AC Bhaktivedanta Swami was totally against this proposal and said &
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Today I had a unsettling experience. I saw a couple violently arguing in the street, they were both screaming uncontrolably, oblivious to others around them. It was very disturbing and sad. I thought of Butler's behaviour. If things don't go his way he can fly off the handle and scream like a mental case. Calling people fucking cunts. He goes out of control like a mad man. A pure dev
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Hi Ian thanks for your response. I hear what your saying. My motivation in posting on CEI is to warn others of Butler and his lieutenants. I don't hold any bitterness against any person who follows him, once I was a follower too. I hope there is room here for both believers and non believers,in a united effort (from a number of angles) against a truely disgusting person. sincer
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Hi DaWatcher I think what you say about good parenting is right * Young people today have different habits and it is the art of upbringing to gain and trust of a child, convey role models, inspire or go gently through the period of rebellion and be a child's friend for life. A child has the right to question and think for themselves from 13 - 14yr onwards. If they reject the parents
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Is the Srimad Bhagavatam of benefit to todays society? Dear Ian Thank you for you clear description of the PI boys school, hopefully this will help others to be wary. I would just like to address one point that you touched on in your post. That we should we reject the Srimad Bhagavatam because it has stories that are farfetched and tells us things that do not coincide with modern day under
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Child Abuse in the Philippines Swarup promoted the PI schools, it was a money maker for Tapas das and co. It subsidized the local Philippine schools. I know of a case were Siddhaswarup contacted a local area representative back in the states (about an abuse case) and said. "Tapas das was offering the PI school to me, but I didn't have anything to do with the day to day running. Which
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Hello DaWatcher I was wrong I have no confirmation of him having a wife/ partner prior to his Gold Coast stay. He came from California. At the time the Katyayani vs Siddhaswarup war was going on. He changed allegiances from the Katyayani side to the Siddhaswarup side. He played the role of a fixer calling people and getting them to keep quiet about the PI school sex abuses. From memory Ss was
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Hi Dawatcher, hope all is well Mr Midgett was on the Gold Coast in the 90's when Chris Butler was there. He had left his first wife and then had a child with a woman on the Gold Coast ( never assisted with child maintenance, ignored the kid) also had an affair with another married woman while there. Chris Butler for once, stepped in and strongly advised against it. Imagine my suprise
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Thanks Da Watcher Abortion final note AC Bhaktivedanta 17/11/1971 Delhi My Dear Brhaspati das, I am successful in my teaching work because I have not deviated one inch from my Spiritual Master's instruction, this is my only qualification. But I return to Tusta’s Murawai farm in NZ. Imagine if Curly Dave was able to speak to Siddhaswarup today what would he say? “Rat! Scum B
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Namaste DaWatcher I think maybe Chris Butler mentioned that issue of Tusta ghost writing the two books at Tusta's wake ( he publicly said it somewhere). Tusta edited lectures and added somethings to make two books. It's well known here in Australia. As far as Paramadvati and any other self proclaimed guru goes, if they have achieved the highest stage of pure love for Krishna- Utta
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Hello GODHIMSELF Thanks for your posts they are devastating but so true. So very well said, you know the history well. I started chanting at age 16 now 45 years later I can see Chris Butler is a conman After awkening from my Chris Butler coma, I read up on Kirtananda Swami in ISKCON, it's the same deal there. The appointed gurus in ISKCON all break the rules and spin out of control Ra
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Devotees are going hungry tonight in Kailau, some famililies are cramped into someones small laundry. This goes on for years until thy can't take it anymore. Meanwhile $28 million sits in an Australian bank account tax free. No wonder RKd fights off any challengers to his autthority. The MF signs the cheques.
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