Yes he is referring to that. Good tactic to downplay a question about a strange topic by bringing up a tragedy. Seems familiar. You have to hand it Serge, he is masterful at turning the topic away from himself, even avoiding the question about Leonardo da Vinci by turning it into something potentially about the interviewer and getting a laugh. Same technique as used with students. The story ha
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QuoteSparkyLet's see...his mostly female followers call Serge "The One". He claims (and the followers believe) he is the reincarnated of DaVinci. He claims that massaging women's breasts will prevent cancer (talk of a racket) and his 22 year old daughter will "talk to women's ovaries" for $70.00 Yeah. Nothing nutty or cult-like about that! Hi Sparky- to
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Hi TF, your mailbox is full. can you delete some. thanks CP Good news spreads fast. If someone with better computer skills than I could contact the papers in Somerset UK and give them a 'heads-up'to the Sun Herald story, I'm sure people over there would appreciate the news of a Cult Leader (not-me thinks you protest waaaaay too much Serge) from South America via Australia,
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There is a new report out on the MO website. Please see link. Mr Benhayon, in lengthy email and telephone correspondence, gave a passionate defence of his organisation, which he insisted was a “healing centre”, not a “medical centre”, despite its name. He said his reincarnation claims were meant as an example to show his beliefs dated back hundreds of years. He said he never advised a clie
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Hi All Universal Misery spreads itself across the world. Sorry Corboy it looks like there is a beach head. Quote: My daughter and her husband became involved with a man named Serge Benhayon, who operates out of the UK and Australia, only...He has sucked my daughter, Julie, into his world of so called Holistic Healing and EsotXXXXX XXXXXving, as he says it...If you go on his website, you
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Here is the usual refrain of those in a cult. As for the Men who blame Serge for splitting their families up, not one has put his name to any allegations made against Serge – which shows the quality of their character. The weakest and most convenient argument in the world is to attack the character of someone who doesn't agree with you. Serge is hard at it: The journalists, the evil &
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Giibbs, very good points. KIK, ditto. I am aware of some students saying something like this today: 'Of course Serge wont tell a reporter he is the re-incarnation of Leonardo da Vinci....most people don't believe in re-incarnation so he wont say things to confront them' Which means, Serge can lie to the general public, and only tells them the 'truth'- All said wi
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Corboy beautifully observed and very pertinent to all considering questions raised by many on the various threads on this forum. thanks CP
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Quoteknowledge_is_kingQuoteMacReady Serge constantly teaches that you can't align with anything without absorbing the whole package, you can't just ignore the negative elements in favour of the parts you like. May the Truth be known: Serge has lied to you. The entire foundation of his belief system is nothing but a cruel hoax. If choose to stand by him, you're aligning with
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INVITATION TO VOICE YOUR CONCERNS Hi everyone reading these pages, and there are many today. Here is a link to a new blog in order for people to post their thoughts and feelings. If you feel to.... we invite you to tell us how you are affected. You don't need to write anything that will identify yourself, any opinions, or even a name. Just add your voice so that the Truth may pre
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Hi All- An interesting day indeed. It appears as if we are loveless, jealous, subtance abusers who are not nice at home and that the women have had to hide behind Serge's words to tell us how bad we are. Let's get a few things straight and work out who is really lying and has the substantial vested interest. * There is more than a handful of people or detractors as the Master cha
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QuoteMacReadyPerhaps it's fitting that Friends In Science And Medicine have Leonardo da Vinci's 'Vitruvian Man' on their homepage: Serge can explain to them that he drew that in a previous incarnation. ;-). I think he drew the one on the right...
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QuoteGibbsQuotefrodobagginsLet me just clarify "UM are practicing this non proven technique" That is a little misleading on my behalf .... what i mean is in a general sense.... UM are practicing energetic healing of some kind. I don't have first hand knowledge that Serge specifically uses the technique shown on the TV story. You will also find that UM do not promise to cure c
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QuotefrodobagginsLet me just clarify "UM are practicing this non proven technique" That is a little misleading on my behalf .... what i mean is in a general sense.... UM are practicing energetic healing of some kind. I don't have first hand knowledge that Serge specifically uses the technique shown on the TV story. Hi Frodo, the most interesting line was this' No one in
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From Prophetic Charisma by Len Oakes for anyone wondering what makes someone running a group tick, and their motivations and payoffs are; 'What the charismatic leader most lacks is a sense of the humanity of other people. He may accurately diagnose their problems and brilliantly solve them, he may even genuinely love the followers--loving them quite literally as he loves himself--yet they
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Hi All I think Rebecca has been advised by Serge to avoid the energy of this forum and that involvement will only validate our arguments. Which is a pity. If Rebecca happens to read this post, I would say that proves our point- first that you are not making decisions based on what you feel or think, and that Serge is pulling the strings. I KNOW in your heart of hearts, the REAL one, you
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QuotegillweirI am not sure exactly what you mean by a gee up? The areas I have approached in this post are definitely some that have been on my mind for some time but were avoided being posted because my last post that not gain much interest. My only direct contact with UM is when a dear friend of mine choose to no longer relate to her ex boyfriend due to his increased paranoia. I have not had
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Quotetreefern To all the UM devotees who read this site and there are obviously a worrying amount now for Serge, what if he is the one that is wrong, what if you have been part of a giant money making hoax? I don't and can't spend this lifetime feeling guilty for my past lifetimes or the ones to come, I can only be the very best human being I can be in THIS lifetime. I try to do da
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Hi ALL It has come to my attention that you are quoting me out of context. The message above was intended for my fellow students and friends in the Esoteric Community, so there is a lot of assumed knowledge in the text. Since you are also interested in its content I will fill you in on the broader meaning contained therein. But first, allow me to introduce myself. My name is Rebecca and I
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QuoteJohn lazurasHi All, Please read the below points that have been recently discussed at Natalie Benhayon Esoteric Womens Presentation in England in recent months. These are extracts from the notes from the group on what was discussed…..in their words. 1. “Since Natalie presented about periods and the period diary every single women who has tried having a period using pads instead of ta
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Quote: lifetruetome This was on Serge's facebook account. It is his latest update. If this isn't "controlling" of all esoteric students facebook comments, then I don't know what is: He is totally into mind control!!! We all know that swimming is done in water. Wisely, you do not swim in any water, that is, you do not swim where you know there are rips or currents tha
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Anyone in doubt about where Serge has plagarised the symbols check this site out-- which is meant for children-- Well spotted TreeFern, Frodo, those testimonials are concerning because they are clearly written by zombies or sychophants. If they indeed felt effects, then it shows the power of the MIND to convince people, nothing else. More proofs of the error of Serge's basic premis
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QuotefrodobagginsOh and thanks to everyone for posting the links. The more people who file complaints the better. Well done Frodo- besides those posting here, there are many others doing the same, rest assured. For all the people out there trying to work out what motivates their spouse, sibling, child, friend to be involved with a group such as this, here is food for thought from www.culthe
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HI All Yes John, we have access to ALL the emails that go out too- here's a recent example of some image control of the group via a facebook sendout. I think this fits the 'constricting attention' criteria, As a fellow student and as someone who works as a social media manager, I felt to share a few observations about current communication practices on Facebook. By and lar
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"Destructive cults, groups, movements and/or leaders "maintain intense allegiance through the arguments of their ideology, and through social and psychological pressures and practices that, intentionally or not, amount to conditioning techniques that constrict attention, limit personal relationships, and devalue reasoning." -- Margaret Singer, Ph.D Time for a recap in case any
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QuotetreefernHerbertKane178 thank you for your thoughts and good wishes. I only told my story to highlight the very dangerous practises of UM and more importantly Serge Benhayon and every time I read/hear/talk about or encounter one of his new money making ventures I tell the other side of the story. COncerned Partner, a few answers to your queries and a bit more information: No not at any t
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QuotetreefernAh music food of the soul, I just think UM music is pretty poor and really hard to listen to. Since I joined this blog site and have been supported, gratefully by many unknown 'friends' I have only concentrated on the affect UM and Serge has had on my relationship with my husband. I have recieved several suspect personal emails which I feel may be a set-up, this does not
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QuoteMacReadyQuoteHerbertKane178 Michael Jackson and The Beatles also all lived to excess. Jackson's drug use killed him and The Beatles experiments for psychedelics are well documented and yet they see to be 'approved' also? Seems contradictory to me. On copyright grounds Glorious Music should perhaps change the title of the album "Welcome to the New Era" by Michael a
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QuoteHerbertKane178I really don't get the music thing. Having a fairly extensive music knowledge from both creative and historical angles I can not see how UM music is somehow different from everything else. The cord progressions, key changes, structure etc of that which I have heard (the Benhayons kids CDs and some Chris James's material) sounds exactly the same as all other music of t
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Hi All, here’s some interesting information from the recent UK EDG meeting notes. Interesting because it demonstrates once again the non-sense that the students inflict upon themselves, and interesting because Serge, who tells us he was Pythagoras, Leonardo da Vinci, Alice A Bailey, and now a member of the Hierarchy, who in his recent New Era recording tells us he can connect to any information
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