I think you're on to Landmark Forum, ON2 LF. Landmark employs a kind of barbaric psychology not unlike clear felling a forest to get to a few precious trees. I think that Landmark's views of psychology/psychiatry are similar to those held by Scientology - they think it is suspect and, worse still, they think they have a better, more efficient solution. It takes time and patience f
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As this thread implies that Landmark has some (if not, many) redeeming qualities, would someone please list what they consider Landmark's positive contribution to education and/or life management?
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QuotemazellanI notice that a lot of people here haven't done any Landmark courses, yet have very strong opinions that 'everything' that Landmark teaches is 'bad'. I'd suggest that before you completely dismiss the 'teaching', you do the Forum. I'd actually like to do it again myself, but this time looking closely at the way they manipulate people.
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QuoteEurope-girlYesterday I discussed this with a friend and I think it's important to me to get clear on my way of thinking and viewing life. How much of it is Landmark, how much of it is me? Regarding the Landmark stuff: which things are beneficial, and which not? I know I come across as someone who has her act together and is in control. I also set high standards for myself, and others..
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G'day bb, How can you tell? Probably like trying to tell how many employees have the flu at any given time in any given organisation... From my own observations, Landmark is not far from being a kind of virus that creeps into a community or organisation and tries to spread. It is a sad truth that company bosses initiate mass Forum drives only to spread the disease faster and further.
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QuoteEurope-girl@Jack Oskar Larm, I like the point you make about breakthroughs. You know, when you say "they're a scam" I understand where you're coming from. But who is the "they"? 'They' are many people and/or entities. They are those in power, with or without knowledge of the whole picture and/or agenda. Corporations like Landmark can get so large an
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G'day Euro-girl, There is nothing new or original about Landmark's technologies. Look at Scientology's technologies. But, more importantly, look at the words and phrases used by these organisations. Anyone with half-a-brain can take abstract words like Integrity or Breakthrough and manipulate their definitions. This is what Landmark/Scientology do in order to control you and
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QuoteEurope-girlThe thing about breakthroughs is that the more you get involved in Landmark, the less interest you get for breakthroughs in your personal life, or your personal life blends in totally with Landmark. Then it's all about targets, training yourself in new tasks within the Landmark organization and having 'breakthroughs' in that. When after all of that you try to refocu
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Apostate quoting Dave:Quote... a number of the ex-members who are presently fighting us so fiercely seem to have serious mental problems, i.e. to be a bit crazy. I think this reveals DM's inability to diagnose medical problems. Which is it, 'serious mental problems' or 'a bit crazy'? Or maybe he's just not qualified to comment and these are just the continued ranti
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G'day Apostate, QuotePain seems to be the most humane and speedy form of human punishment. We could whip them strongly, without doing any damage to their teeth, brain, or spine. And it would all be over in just a few minutes...David McKay Does McKay hate God that much? Admittedly I have limited knowledge of the Bible myth, but the above quote could easily have come from the mouth of
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And get this (and then I'll give it a rest, for awhile)... QuoteI have completed the Landmark curriculum for living (Forum, Forum In Action FIA, Advanced Course, Self Expression & Leadership Program SELP), Communication courses (Communication Access to Power CAP, and Communication Performance and Power CPP), and Introduction to Forum Leadership Program (IFLP). I hold Landmark in
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Oh, and this... QuoteSome definitions before reading the text below. CO$: Church of Scientology (COS). Squirrel: Someone who left Scientology. Suppressive: People Scientologists don't like. Landmark Education by Andy Testa by Andy Testa Doug Shelton (dshelton@nps.navy.mil) posted: Please give any info on landmark "forum" program. Is this similar to scientology. Was th
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I think more connections between Landmark and Scientology need to made...while googling I came across this: QuoteShow me the money: What a great read this article was. The spirit of George Orwell must have had a hand in this. Landmark reminds me of my short time with Scientology. With good reason, because Landmark is the modern-day version of Werner Erhard's EST. Erhard studied Scient
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There are still a number of secondhand copies of the book available on Amazon. The 'hot' and 'cold' reviews on this site are also very interesting...
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QuoteSarahLhttp://www.nowsymbol.com/ For $6 plus $2 for shipping and handling we can buy a NOW symbol for our cars, for some reason we are instructed to place it on the left rear trunk area. The NOW Symbol Formed by two simple characters, the NOW symbol signifies the present moment. > represents the completed past. < represents the future, which is unknowable. The gap b
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QuotekialnQuoteI would appreciate it if you would remove the link to my blog, if you want to keep my quotes thats fine, but please do remove the link. Thanks. Is there a legal reason the link should be removed? If not, it is a 'valuable' resource for our work here. Some of us don't leave any stones unturned...and this is the Internet, after all (many eyes on the same page
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Thanks Apostate, Some truly shocking stuff happening at JC HQ. It's amazing how sick a forum can become when it's run by genuinely sick, sick people. I can only spend a few minutes reading their stuff before I have to turn away in disgust. Dave McKay has a habit of naming people. Why doesn't he name 'X'? I suspect Dave likes (loves) to intimidate the strong-wille
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So, it's like a military camp. Landmark have their obstacle course, governed by a rigid hierarchy of volunteers...it should be easy for them to get the leaders they want. It could be a cheesy reality TV show - Survivor Landmark.
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What are the stats? About 450 paid employees and about 8000 unpaid employees...and they manage to have about 200 recruits at a 'forum'...sounds like they have a very large selection pool from which to find 'leaders'.
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QuoteMelliFobianHi everyone, I am new on your forum board.culteducation.com, I've been reading it for a while, and decided to try my luck asking a few questions Who can tell me more in detail about the "Large Group Awareness Training Human Potential Seminars". Please Mail Me..!! Best Regards..!! Yeah, it's obvious that you're 'new'. You signed up yesterday
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free wrote:QuoteSure. No need to act shocked Jack but then you were never in so you must have no idea. No idea? Never in? Shocked? Sure, I'm an easy target. But I'm rarely shocked - surprised and/or dismayed, maybe. It must be the smiley! I've had some contact with the JCs, not much, as you say, but I don't see how the amount of direct and indirect contact I've had
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Ajinajan wrote:QuoteBut they would probably pay attention if it was one of their shareholders/investors themselves who sent them a formal written notice... So, the shareholders/investors need to be informed. At the end of the day, it's the 'suits' that put in the money, they need to know. A personal boycott of the products and services of the LEC-trained businesses is probably al
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By the way, free, can you turn down the capitals? :shock:
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G'day free of DM, The stuff here is getting to him. Disappointing that he never got around to answering those few questions. Looks like Zeuszor's Bible quotes have really hit the bone. I would almost liken it to magic... :wink: Is Dave starting to crack?
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QuoteThis message board is all well and good - but I was wondering more about the potential efficacy of affecting change by notifying this list of companies above that we, the consumer and/or investor (through the investor relations contact at the company) are dismayed at their participation with this controversial company and it's sordid history and methods, and volunteer employee labor for
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QuoteajinajanQuoteI wonder if any of the clients above are FULLY aware of the controversial history surrounding Landmark Education, and chose to hire Landmark Education Business Development anyway? I don't think anyone is fully aware. I mean, people make all sorts of purchasing decisions without knowing the whole story. For instance, look at the number of clothing and apparel companies hir
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QuoteGladitzoverHere are Dave's latest comments on his forum. QUOTE: Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The latest (ironic) news from the Rick Ross forum is that Brian (hardly our best friend over there) is being attacked from several different sides at once for posting Bible verses on the
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QuoteMaggieThis is really scary stuff -- the way it's quietly creating LE zombies in every sector. I can't help thinking we're heading towards a Nazi-like state. We've had 'zombie' communities before LEC, and we've been fine...we've always enjoyed world peace, prosperity and a level of contentment we never dreamed of. People are people and it doesn�
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QuotezeuszorSay Jack, this isn't the place for theological discussion. You know my email address. Write me, OK? The 'theological discussion' is rare on these boards, especially in the context of your statement. I don't know if I'm always adhering to 'perfect' protocol when I write what I write. I try to be honest, but I understand the abstract nature of t
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I wonder when we'll be expected to do volunteer work for our employer? And when we're working for 'next to nothing', we can start our recruitment drives. Even more free workers... :wink:
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