Hi Ekb, I am not an expert on this situation at all but I wonder if mentioning your concerns to her might work, at least everything will be out there if you do that. It seems to be if her feelings are hurt she kinda asked for it. Her whole engagement with you seems rather creepy. I hope you find a good resolution. N
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Sounds good. Keep up the good work. Perhaps This site is enough for the English world for now. Anyone please let me know if there is anything that you think should be translated into English from Quetzals website, which is linked on a previous page, and reposted here. I will do my best to run it through Bablefish a page at a time and repost it here so that it is available here. Others can of
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Hi Quetzal some coordination will be required. Perhaps we should just translate it and post it here for now. I found it very hard to find any anti Weor writings because I all my searches came up with were pro Samael sites that used the word cult, usually with Victor Gomez aka Samael Aun Weor using the phrase cult of personality, which by the way sounds a lot like what he was doing.
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Hi Amhebera, Just so you know I have not been able to evaluate Tom Brown Jr's program or teachings but i was writing on the general problems that come about when non Natives interact with Native teachings. Also I was not really responding to comments just trying to pass along a general understanding. There a few things that may also be good to consider. How do you know that Grandfather
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Remember if you have a Youtube account you can vote on this video and leave a comment. They have the option to delete the comment if they wish.
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It is the position of a particular Native people as a collective to decide if they wish to teach outsiders or not and how much they should be taught. Interference from outsiders backing either side of an issue creates a problem. Also Outsiders designating who is part of a community and who isn't is a problem. Comparing how things were when the white man arrived is very problematic. For so
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In my supplying of definitions I seem to have failed to give a definition for the most misused word, Ego. By definition you can only have one ego. There are no such thing as egos. I think even people with multiple personality disorder would still be consider to have one ego. Essentially the ego is the conscious self. Here is the Oxford English Dictionary definition. ego 1. the self; the part
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Thanks for that Free_Free, Any other information you may have would be appreciated. There appears to be a lot we are not hearing about how the Gnostic Movement operates.
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So on July 5th every year they predict that the world is going to end, it doesn't happen but they go home and do it all over again? Most of the people in participation must see it as a joke, but there are probably also some nutz in the group that find ways to justify this and just keep on believing even thou year after year it is shown to be a lie. Quite an interesting story.
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I would like to post a statement that has started to be started quite often by followers of the Gnostic Movement. This is a new position of theirs, only being stated within last month or so. The particular discussion posted here, originally occurred on facebook. Without changing the content I have removed identifying markers. "It is stated clearly that Belzebuub does not run The Gnostic M
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Thanks for that article it looks like a great one, I will try to read it this afternoon. There a good article in Wkipedia about Mind dynamics that seems to helpful for what I want to learn. The explanation of it being shut down for criminal reasons really helps. It appears that lifestream is really a small player in this game being dramatically over shadowed by the others. This may be a re
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Hi mofason good to see you back here, I am not the expert on the plagiarism issue but I have enough evidence to know it is there. If you have the patience, which I don't for this, it would be good to go through the writings of Samael Aun Weor and look for it. I have seen evidence of it also being there in some of his successors but that is less direct and more them clearly learning about
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Ok something now makes sense to me. Lifestream doesn't technically exist anymore as an organization. However the people involved still refer to it as lifestream, almost like a religion. The main organization seems to be The Personal Growth Centre. This website makes it seem that there may be other organization offering lifestream training.
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S_Byers666 My Dad is involved in Lifestream so I am starting my question find out all I can about them. Is there anything specific about them you could tell me? Thanks
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This seems to explain how the original Human Awareness training groups grew out from Mind Dynamics founded by Alexander Everett. Lifestream was founded by Jim Quinn. It seems the best I can do right now is to learn about Large Group Awareness Trainning in General as a start. Lifestream seems to be a relative minor group at least as far as numbers go.
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Another thread on this website that may help people who have been involved in the Gnostic Movement is Recovering from New Age Mumbo Jumbo. Some of the content may not be relevant but much of it is particular the discussions on arguments, logic and language.
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Lastly this should be good article to help with starting the recovery process. "The most common key issues Singer covers in this article include depression, loneliness, indecisiveness, slipping into altered states, blurring of mental acuity, uncritical passivity, fear of the cult, the fishbowl effect, guilt, perplexities about altruism, money and elite no more." rrmoderator I wo
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More on Thought reform, Here is an excerpt from a good book . Most of the book is available at google books . The author Robert Jay Lifton has eight criteria that are as follows: Milieu Control Mystical Manipulation The Demand for Purity The Cult of Confession The "Sacred Science" Loading the Language Doctrine Over Person The Dispensing of Existence T
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I would like to copy a few things posted by rrmoderator in another forum that should be helpful who are suspcious of how the Gnostic Movement led by Mark Pritchard operates. This is forum I took it from the full discussion might also be helpful. . Before you decide for yourself if you are dealing with a dangerous group or cult decide what that really means. Remember a group does not have to fi
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Good points Samael, I don't think anyone is likely to disagree with you for the most part. Critical thinking along with not seeing the world in black and white manner are essential to combating the cult mindset. A list is only as valuable as how you use it. Something is only dogmatic if you make it dogmatic. If you use the list along with critical thinking it will be quite effective. You
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Hi Anticult, I have been dealing with a similar problem with the Gnostic Movement . With this group the try their best to give the appearance of not giving their leader absolute authority. But they consider him to the only divine being living on the earth and their is no meaningful criticism of what he says. They compensate for a lot of this by saying that he doesn't run the organization
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The Robert Jay Lifton's book with excerpts available here is also partially available on Google books. . It looks quite interesting. Has anyone looked at Chris Hedges work? He has two books that interest me American Fundamentalists 2006 and I Don't Believe in Atheists, 2008 (which now may be found as The New Fundamentalists). The first book deals with Christian Fundamentalism and i
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Something that has really interesting and perhaps disturbed me from my experience is how dishonest a group can be about their believes. The group I encountered used suggesting language to make it appear that they were respective of different religions. The actually teaching in the beginning was that all religions had good origin. However more and more we were taught about how those religions had
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I thought I bring up a few qualifiers of an unsafe group since they are likely to be questioned by students of the "teachings" 1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. From my experience there is an illusion of it not being a one man show. There are lies told which all show the contradictions. They are now saying that Mark Pritchard doesn't run the sho
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A little more on the history of the man who called himself Samael Aun Weor, Victor Gomez. It is said that the Rosicrucian group he was involved in was part of AMORC which is still seen as a suspect group. Here are some links to help form this website. Interesting how one suspect group breads another and that breads another.
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I thought it would be helpful to post the list of what to look for in a questionable group. See Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. 2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. 3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial stat
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My Dad got involved in this group through his wife a few years back called Lifestream at a point when his life wasn't going so well. It really sounds like one of these large group Awareness training setups and I have heard being mentioned on another site as a spin off of Lifespring. I see it mentioned here. He is now stuck in their slave system, thinking he is making his life better, but
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Marks story is an obvious one of lusting for power, from his choice to use the name Belzebuub, to the lies about how he created to organization to the "teachings" that he pushes.
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Perhaps some numbers on this group might help. From what I have read they seem to claim that they have spread their teachings to 30,000 people, however from what I saw I don't think that they are likely to have more than 500 students online and at all centres at this time. That means a lot of ex students out there, many people who couldn't accept what the Gnostic Movement has to say.
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Also mentioned in the previously mentioned forum was a reference to an audio talk given by Mark Pritchard Alias Belzebuub. Someone asks Mark a question about difficulties in spreading the teachings and how people think of it as being a cult when they hear about it. If you would like to jump to the relevant question the 15 min mark is the point when the question is asked. It is a talk about
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