As well as promoting Stanislaw Burzynski and his fraudulent cure for cancer... Who is Burzynski and why is it illegal to cure cancer? 2012 Who is Burzynski and Why is it illegal to cure Cancer? Burzynski Haters and Irresponsible Blogging Desteni members are now promoting more quackery: ingestion of Hydrogen Peroxide (Oxygenation Therapy) Hydrogen Peroxide - Miracle cure? Inhali
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Hi BasicallyIntrinsic. Thanks, your post is very interesting. Here are a couple of questions... QuoteBasicallyIntrinsicDesteni serves one purpose and one purpose only -- to fill the coffers of Bernard Poolman Please can you describe how it was you realized or discovered this? And can you tell us exactly what it was that confirmed to you that QuoteBasicallyIntrinsicNone of the subject
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Quite a few of the Destonians at the farm are university students. If it is the case that Andrea Rossouw is formally studying Criminology and has submitted this paper to a tutor I would be interested to see how the paper is marked.
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Andrea Rossouw of Desteni has posted on one of her blogs what appears to be an academic paper... 2012 Internet Victimization and Rick Ross - http://andrearossouw.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/internet-victimization-and-rick-ross a Criminology Paper 2012 Section A: Critically discuss the phenomenon of internet/virtual victimization and provide a case study or newspaper/internet article to subs
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Troubling new developments in places of higher learning? A trend amongst young people who have rejected religious upbringing and now identify themselves as belonging to a "Church of Atheism". Amongst atheists there are all kinds of cultural, philosophical, social or political values. The thing that unites them is their non-attendance at church, and to religion or theism. It could be
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I'd say this is a natural outflow from the raw food movement as popularized by the likes of Viktoras Kulvinskas with his seminal New Age work, 'Life in the 21st Century'. Inevitably there will be diet fads that take on a cult-like aura. Can you imagine a world where the only stuff anyone ate was fruity? Dieting is one of the most easily scammed advertizing solutions going. I
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They'll be targeting anyone who responds to them, certainly young people if not minors. Markus Modin, aged 22, has caused a bit of a stir by posting videos explaining the Desteni view on the consequences of masturbation or sexual fantasy which is that it leads to rape. It is of course just a way of playing on people's emotions and sense of morality and trying to induce guilt and fea
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Desteni have increased their membership. There are still only about 100 Destonians listed at destonians.com. But there are over 150 members of their leadership forum at , which suggests a 50% increase. Most of the recruiting is probably now being done via Facebook. Their presence on Facebook is illegal. The Facebook Statement of Rights and Responsibilities reads under 3.
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QuoteNatashaHas anyone had any result from publicising the Hitler content of Desteni, or had any contact with those SA banks ? If someone is to decide to give out that sort of information then it should be at their own discretion. Otherwise, it may not be a good idea. I've received some news from a reliable source that Poolman and co recently gave their followers a new job to do, which
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Quotevivian111He did not renounce Theosophy ‘only’ in his speech, that is pretty clear from his speech, he renounced all forms of organized religion and belief, since it hampers spiritual growth. The speech is famous particularly because it was delivered as and when Krishnamurti removed the mantle of World Teacher placed on him by the Theosophists. Quotevivian111Whether you agree with him o
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Quotevivian111 Yes of course, but I think his message was aimed at those on the right-hand-path falling prey to destructive cults, which the Theosophical Society undoubtedly was. Krishnamurti wrote: "I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect." He was trying to renounce the esoteric dogma he was raised
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If "Truth is a Pathless Land" as JK Krishnamurti said then there won't be any initiates on the right or the left hand side of a path. Krishnamurti was reacting to the Theosophists' notion of "the path", which was dogma that had been drummed into him from an early age. In Desteni they talk about "walking the process" which is not dissimilar to being on the p
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In compiling the basic material for students of "Desteni", Bernard Poolman has stolen ideas from a variety of well-known sources, Gurdjieff being one of them. Desteni members continually write, "stop!" and refer to stopping thought, feelings, emotions and pictures. Stopping the mind is probably one of the most common techniques given to members of various kinds of cults.
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The question of an epidemic of Narcissism is a hot topic of debate in the contemporary field of psychology... Desteni provides a ready-made platform for narcissistic tendencies and an excuse to take up a self-righteous, self-centered attitude in public, all under the guise of saving the world....
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Self-forgiveness in Desteni equates with point 4 in "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform" by Robert Jay Lifton -- 'Confession: Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders
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Desteni are now advocating eugenics. Marlen Vargas Del Razo has published, "Eugenics is Best for All Life in Equality" She writes: Advocating this point can lead us once again to a known-link which is Hitler. The sterilization of ‘defectives’ was in his book Mein Kampf and as such it was regarded as ‘evil.’ – I have no problem at all with that either (Check your history
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The main Desteni scam, "Equal money system" is portrayed as being for a good cause to stop world poverty by starting a new political group. But the Desteni organization has never carried out any efforts to help the poverty-stricken and is not involved in any way in any kind of genuine political campaign, official or unofficial. The only point there is to Equal Money System is to rec
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The previous Desteni server, Hetzner.co.za responded to complaints received as to Desteni Hitler material and their MLM scam. (see this post: ) At the same time they got thrown off YouTube and Vimeo. Then Desteni changed servers, recently opening an account under the name of convicted criminal, Gottfrid Swartholm of the notorious Pirate Bay. At the same time they removed all the Desteni Hitler w
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The written Hitler material has been removed from the Desteni website but it's still at the web archive: They were banned by YouTube because of their Hitler crap and running an MLM scam, for which they were also banned by Vimeo. Plus they were banned by PayPal. Desteni take Mastercard, Diners Club International and Discover as well as Visa for financial transactions. These comp
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I just read this post at the Destenigossip blog referring to Ryan Paul Franklin's blog at which reads: I viewed my traffic sources for this blog, and I had this link come up: What gives you the right to post information about me on your forum? Are you stalking me? Are you trying to get me hurt? Why are you talking lies about me, like, I was "15" making Desteni promo video
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Going off on a slight tangent here, but it's interesting to note how Gary Smith's mode of activity is so much like other New Age con-artists. Smith's funny voice recordings remind me a bit of the recordings of Marshall Vian Summers, with his "new message from God" As with Gary Smith, it's hard to find any independent information on Summers as well. A Wikipedia p
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With Desteni, it's one scam leading to another. A new member of their forum asks about the Desteni view on Kevin Trudeau & GIN Avery Williams replies that I have met Kevin Trudeau personaly on several occations and have trained with him and I am a level 4 visionary member. I know he has a great desire to help this world and he is revealing what has helped him make billions of d
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Quoteconcernedmom83Granted, we cannot buy a home for everyone in Sudan, but together we can work to make their governments be more responsible for the people they represent. But that's not how one destenicult member sees it: Wouldn't it make more sense to create a system that provided for all Equally and then we wouldn't need to concern ourselves with sharing beca
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I've been asked to to clarify this ... As it says here: 'To improve our online experience we’re transferring our domains and hosting to a more powerful and secure place' Desteni are now using (which re-directs to ) run from Swedish web host, PRQ Inet KB and registered under the name of Gottfrid Swartholm of Pirate Bay - the most notorious file-sharing website on the internet
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My point was that whatever the situation is with Gottfrid Swartholm, it is that PRQ Inet KB, the company he seems to be affiliated with, would be interested to know that in hosting desteni.org they are supporting a group with values diametrically opposed to their own. I could be wrong, because they do say they specialize in "refugee hosting"... Maybe they wouldn't care and
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It may be that the whois information is just slightly out of date and that's why it's still showing Gottfrid Swartholm's name, but it's clear that the PRQ Inet KB server is operating . PRQ Inet KB also host an anti-Scientology site:
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Not so long ago, Desteni announced they were changing servers. It seems the desteni.co.za domain is still registered to Esteni De Wet and the Domain Administrator is still hetzner.co.za. But they are now using the domain , which re-directs to desteni.co.za. re-directs to The hosting location is Sweden. The Registrant Name is Gottfrid Swartholm Registrant Organization
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2012: End of the World? Skeptics vs Believers
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Here are some resources on the 2012 hoax: 2012 Hoax Debunking the "2012 Doomsday" Rumors of an apocalypse in 2012 are being spread by people in order to make money. Don't be Scammed! There are some things you need to know about the rumors of the "end of the world" or "Doomsday" in 20121. The "2012 doomsday" is a hoax, a fraud, and an a
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Gary Smith's group is in South Africa offering bogus "healing". This is highly questionable and could well be illegal. From the website intro: "For 11 years we have taught the Sacred Merkaba Techniques to students from all over the world. Currently we co-teach Meditator, Activator, Healer and Teacher True Knowledge classes, give Presentations of True Knowledge, offer WAB
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