Thanks, C. I will certainly follow your advice if someone contacts me and anything seems "off" about it. I do want to say that some people have PM-ed me and I felt them to be geniunely concerned and interested in processing the topics of this message board. I have been glad to dialogue with those people privately. Not everyone is comfortable discussing this stuff in public. Just
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One of Byron Katie's core teachings is that there are only 3 kinds of business: mine, yours, and God's. She maintains that people need to get back in their own business and leave others alone. Do the work on their own thoughts rather than try to fix things on the outside and in others. So.... Why do supporters of The Work show up here and try to convince us of how wonderful the work
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QuoteThe AnticultThere is some extremely questionable material on the website of Debra S London, MD. She is blatantly promoting The Work of Byron Katie, and not providing any evidence. Debra London MD is also completely ignoring everything else that is going on with Byron Katie. There's a "licensed mental health counselor" from the Hall Health Center in Seattle who gives a plug f
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I'd like to add to the list I made the other day of Byron Katie "Facilitators". To show how very many people want to capitalize on "the work", and in case there are folks googling these facilitators... Celeste Gabriele Question the Mind - Mona Grayson Yoga and Transformation Hanna in Venice Flay Wahl Return to Center - Irene Bojczuk Gopita Katharine Manning Life
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Brrrr, this really gives me the chills. A psychiatrist utilizing Byron Katie's approach, here she is comparing cognitive therapy to "the work": [A Comparison of Cognitive Therapy to The Work of Byron Katie] Here's a link to her website: [Debra S. London, M.D.]
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My library has that McKenna book. I'm gonna check it out!
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I just checked Oprah's message boards to see if there was any discussion of Byron Katie. Couldn't find any. But I did find this thread criticizing Oprah: [Oprah, The Chameleon!] I don't agree with the religious aspect of the person's post, but I DO agree with the critique!
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QuotecorboyReality Check--Today May be the Day Oprah Interviews Cockroach Lady Thanks for this reminder. I'm going to see if I can find anything out about it... Okay, here's a link to Oprah's interview with Byron Katie: [Ending Your Suffering] This is how Oprah advertises the talk: "Are you ready to end your suffering? According to spiritual teacher and best-sellin
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I just got VERY triggered simply from reading one of the Work facilitators'/coaches' web pages. With a BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN EDUCATION, Dawn Rockwell claims she can work with the following issues, one of which I've bolded because it's what triggered me (unfortunately I've had direct dealings with the topic in my life)... "Enlightening lives of individuals h
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QuoteThe Anticultalso, notice how much more clever Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle are than all these folks? BK and ET both know listing all your past affiliations, seminars, and guru's and former cults, etc, carries a lot of baggage. So they went and suppressed all of their past affiliations, and just pretended that a cockroach and a park bench done it. Very clever indeed. Actually in To
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If you are thinking of doing sessions with a BKI (Byron Katie International) certified facilitator of "The Work" and have found your way here, I urge you to read the posts preceding this one before getting involved in the work. This is a list of Byron Katie's "certified facilitators" as of today's date: Susan Balsam, Texas Stephanie Bell, Washington Diane Br
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This person in particular scares me, all the creepy items on her resume. [Satori Coaching - Jane Hardy]
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CultCity brought forth the idea of "coaching", so I decided to get an idea as to how many folks might be utilizing BK's work in the context of "life coaching". It's STAGGERING how many people are doing this. Imo these people are trying to make an easy buck off of the vulnerable. They may or may not be conscious of this. They may have new age-ly convinced themselve
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Quotesolea13I just finished reading 'Enlightenment Blues'. I saw that it was the same thing with Andre van der Braak's experience with the American Guru Andrew Cohen. People would be harassed by Andrew or the other students until they broke down in tears of frustration. Then they were accused of being emotionally manipulative and unable to face the 'reality' of their own
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Eek. I just read the following testimonial at the website of Patrick Walsh (aka Ravindra): "Today 'I' am no longer who or what 'I' thought 'I' was at one time. I am on a sacred path that is leading only to where the path began. It would be called the path to no self; I am going nowhere; I am the sacred path. Thank you Teacher Ravindra for your grace, compassi
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Quotesolea13I do believe there is a thread about 'Theohumanity' in this very forum somewhere. I don't know much about it but after all we have discussed here I see some red flags just in the words 'emoto-spiritual' and of course the big one 'paradigm'. New-Agey types love that word :) Is that one of Katie's words? I don't recall "paradigm"
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Quotesolea13My God. What a powerful letter on first reading. Thanks for that corboy. helpme2times - I saw it all the time with my Guru's wife. She would love-bomb the hell out of people to where they were kneeling or weeping on the floor in front of her! They were often exhausted from travling to the seminar, struggling with money issues from coming up with $1,000 - 2,000 to pay and then
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Quotesolea13We would all fall over ourselves to 'volunteer' to work seminars. We would all write these cloying, sickly sweet letters to the Guru, telling him that as lowly, worthless students we didn't really deserve to work for him but we would do the very best we could to serve to the best of our 'small capacity'. Then we would work these hellish seminars; long, mise
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QuotecorboyIt is interesting that despite stating that he or she is reading through the thread, our visitor CC directed close attention and addressed by name only the three most recent correspondants on this thread--moi, helpme2times, and The Anticult. Anticult has also had the great honor of having an earlier troll mimic Anticults computer handle--'anticultist'. I don't recall CC
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Welcome to ByronKatieSpeak. These are words/phrases I've repeatedly heard and/or read BK say... Angel Honey Sweetheart Hopeless! I am a lover of what is. I get that. I hear that. I invite you to... If you really want to be free, have the work for breakfast. Have it for lunch. Have it for dinner. Is it true? It should have happened because it did. That's the way of it.
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QuoteThe AnticultAnother huge Byron Katie word is INVITE. INVITE INVITE I Invite you to ______. Quite similar to CC saying: ""Will you look with me?"
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QuoteThe AnticultOne could build a little database of all of the Byron Katie phrases, and then watch them. You see her followers use the exact same language patterns. I noticed that CultCity said in a post, "I hear that." Byron Katie says "I hear that" and "I get that" A LOT. I also remember feeling a sort of weird BK-like boundary-diminishing thing when CC s
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I'd like to say for anyone visiting here who is a very nice type person and doesn't like harshness and criticism.... It can be very necessary to be blunt and even harsh regarding someone like Byron Katie. At least for some of us. It's a way to counteract all that love-bombing. "Sweetheart, is that true?" I think a big reason I got sucked in so easily was that I
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Anticult said: "Do you seriously believe she learned all of her persuasion techniques by magic at the foot of a cockroach?" Right. Like magic, those four questions just popped in there! From Allison Adato's Los Angeles Times interview with Byron Katie, "How a Self-Help Guru is Born": QuoteAs she tells it, by the time she was 43 in February 1986, her life had hi
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Byron Katie's blog talks about using her work with veterans who have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder: [Treating Post Traumatic Stress Disorder: Veterans & The Work] Notice that it says TREATING Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Someone who commented on the PTSD blog said (note: I've bolded a few parts): QuoteOne young man, Joe, probably an Iraqi War vet judging by his age,
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QuotecultcityI have read now pages 9-18 of this thread. I will continue daily. I have one area I would like to clear - I said "staff fee" - more accurately that is food and lodging cost, not staff fee. Yes - staff pay food and lodging cost. Here is the message I am getting from my interaction here so far: There is a risk of being sued if offering services as a facilitator, BK w
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QuoteThe AnticultBut the arrogance of some of The Work Facilitators is unbelievable, that can be seen online in many places.Agreed.
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Bravo, Corboy! And Anticult! I am so appreciative of this forum. :-)
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CC says: Staff School LA flight and staff fee (about $1600) Staff School Germany flight and staff fee (about $2000) "Staff fee"? We here certainly have heard of BK actually getting her "staff" to PAY HER to be her staff. Nowhere else have I heard of a staff member having to PAY the person they are working for.
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Another thing, CC.... In the other thread, you say: QuoteFrom Carboy: What evidence would it take to prove your beliefs wrong? my answer: Not much. Yet in this thread you contradict your "not much" when you say that you'd like Rajneesh level evidence! That is QUITE a jump from "not much"! (By the by, $20,000 for a month with Byron Katie and her "turnarou
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