Hey XKRISHNA, I did a very quick scroll of this thread regarding CB's inimitable way of treating his disciples. Check out page 64 and scroll a few posts down to a post by I think it's "quotesman" and there are some examples. These continue in the ensuing posts. Actually the whole thread is chock full of his terrible treatment of devotees. I myself heard him say on
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It's been awhile since I have posted here but I do check out this forum from time to time. I came across the horrifying testimony of a woman who was literally assaulted by demons after leaving a Tibetan Buddhist cult. Needless to say the parallels are obvious. She wrote of her experience here: Please run from Chris Butler. Don't look back.
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IanKoviak Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, I have written about this phenomenon on this > forum MANY times as I personally experienced this > hate and anger from Butler against, at the time, > Mahabhagavata das Fergusson and his family (Wife > Sandy and son Bali and two siblings). The fact is > that MANY devotees experienced a sort of
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is a very interesting video that I am > reposting. I forgot which person posted it in the > forum. Sorry I cannot give credit to that person. > > > Wow, great video. I don't think I have seen that before. That short video really explains a lot. That CB is and always has done thi
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Keep reading through the old posts on this thread. You will be amazed at what you will learn about CB and his group.
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I witnessed more than one suicide among initiated disciples in this cult. It was very sad. I still think about the sadness I feel for these poor souls at times to this day. What was more sad was the official response from FL regarding the suicides and the general acceptance of this by cult members. I know that these issues were discussed in more detail previously on this long and involve
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I thought he was anti-abortion (at one time). We all know about his homophobia and his conspiracy theories regarding pedophiles (which may not be too far-fetched, unfortunately). Tulsi's Dad, Krishna Katha Das, actually ran a website and campaign denouncing homosexuality. The good Catholic that he is, of course. I know because I saw his website. I know about Fearless Leader's h
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The cult in Canada:
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Hi All, I haven't posted here in many years but I follow the thread from time to time to keep abreast of any news. I still find myself often having thoughts/resentment with regards to this cult. What really prompted me to post here was twofold: one, to offer thanks and support for the posters actively keeping this thread going, and, two, to offer some observations after having watch
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Quotedaharmabum"In fact the only thing that separates them from the the radical muslims is the ratio, but in essence the attitudes are the same." Hey dharma - when I read that I thought, "Sad, but true". I came across a few individuals (perhaps more than a few) who displayed a definite fanaticism and I always thought that they were the types that could be "suicide bombe
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I never met Alan Yoza but if his initiated name is Shankarananda, I remember hearing a little about him. As I recall, he is a disciple of Bhaktivedanta and, being a devotee of Krishna, was always around a lot of CB followers, but he himself was never really a follower of CB. I remember hearing that he was good at making money and was always involved in some money-making endeavours, but followe
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Quote from "indigoarthur": QuoteI ask again: is there evidence of abusive activity beyond verbal? I ask in hopes of getting pointers that will not require me to read 290 pages parsing for something "substantial." Dude, I'm sorry but WTF?? If you really want some great insight into the "haribol cult" start reading the posts on this forum. There is a ton
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Foolishfear, A big part of the healing process for me after leaving the haribolers was coming to this forum, reading the posts, and posting myself. It was a great relief to discover that it wasn't me, it was them, and the fact that they are a cult and much of what did not sit right with me about this group was due to their cult behaviour. You say you have spent a lot of time reading
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No, she wasn't married to Tusta. Yes, she is married to B.T. das but I don't know his "anglo" name. I met her once - she was a beautiful and charming woman with gorgeous children.
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Vera City - loved your post regarding "The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power". Your comments are very apropo. That is why it is impossible to try to reason (or even have a conversation) with any of his followers/disciples. Everything C.B. does and says is explained away and rationalized because he is a pure devotee and we are not.....as is evidenced by this statement: “Peo
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I've just come across one of CBs booklets that I didn't realize I still had lying around. It's an early work entitled "Jesus Loves Krsna", by Siddhaswarup Goswami. If anyone wants it, PM me, I'll be glad to send it to you (trolls excepted).
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QuotecorboyAdvice for those quitting: How many times have you said or heard someone say after a long chant or meditation that they felt "stoned"? I am not against all chanting and meditation, but believe that if it is to be used it should be in balance with the other aspects of our lives. Do we attend to our feelings? Do we attend to our physical needs? Are we using shakti t
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Great memos Vera! What an egotistical, self-centered person CB is........ Good timing for publishing this stuff because I was just reading this today from the letter of Paul to the Galatians (5:19-23): "...Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkennes
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Corboy, Fascinating stuff! It makes me appreciate the fact that I can experience solitude here. I would hate the constant noise and distraction that seems to be the norm in India. As I was reading these last posts, I was reflecting on my own spiritual journey and some of the things that I have been considering of late. I think I originally became involved in spiritual life due to fee
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Quotecorboy The crucial things IMO that distinguish a cultic group or leader (or awful relationship) from something merely eccentric are: 1) routinely fosters dissociation and punishes or even ejects people who insist on engaging with the emotions or facts that the cult refuses to face. 2) a cult or its leader does all it can to elict our loyalty and devotion but is incapable of reciprocati
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rrmoderator et. al.: Yes, I can see how my statement "surrendering to and doing the will of a spiritual master is an essential ingredient of spiritual practice" would be considered unsettling. I certainly did not mean it in the absolute sense that you cannot have a spiritual practice without a "guru". This is actually what is preached within the cult of CB - the notion t
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Good points googling. How is neglecting the needs of your children and family pleasing to God? After all, isn't this the goal of bhakti yoga? Being pleasing to God? It seems to many of us here that CB is sending a clear message - to renounce all attachments, relationships, etc. and become his total and complete slave. Now, surrendering to and doing the will of a spiritual master
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Good point googling. You know, I was thinking about Pope John Paul II, not as a "guru" but as a religious leader. And let's face it, old CB holds himself out to be much more than just a religious leader, an elected official no less (how shameful!!). Now this Pope constantly traveled the world, even in old age and ill health, preaching to the faithful and attempting to cre
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Continuing with the theme of comparing CB with bona fide (IMHO) Spiritual Masters, we find: "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." - Mark 10:45 It's seems that poor CB has somehow got this backwards - not only because of his constant demands to be served but also because he holds the lives of his followers a
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RR -hanks for finding and posting the "Homophobic" article. I wonder if it got a lot of press in Australia. The gay community would certainly be shocked at such revelations so maybe they will release some more negative publicity. Anyway, pretty damaging for good old CB. I have been reading the posts of late, especially by Vera, with great interest. Thank you for that V. Wit
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Dassi, Thanks for your input. I too watched "Brother Sun, Sister Moon" and "Jesus of Nazareth" many times. Both were by director Franco Zefferelli (sp?). I recall that both these movies were "approved" for viewing by Katyani, whose "status" in CB's eyes seems to frequently change as has been discussed at length in this forum. After leaving
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It's amazing isn't it? He's got his followers so brainwashed by the serving guru mandate that they can't think rationally at all. I mean, if you brought up this point with a disciple of CB, the response would be: "He's trying to help us achieve a consciousness of pure devotional service. How can we get there if we are so neglectful of our dear gurudeva?"
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I haven't posted here in a while, but I've been reading. Veracity - that letter from Prema is hilarious!!! So typical of the petty BS that goes on in that cult - and that letter is 20 years old!!! Well, I'm going to admit this to the world - I can see where CB is coming from because if I don't have a mango for breakfast, I'll cease to exist. This is so inane
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I came to this thread to research a little about ET after someone sent me some info on ET - basically pushing his book. Very informative posts here and another case of a "bogey yogi", as I suspected. What is up with Oprah? Is it all about the money or does she really think this dude is some kind of Messiah? It is such a shame that people are so taken in by these enigmatic pe
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I remember when Biharilal killed himself very well. I had met him a few times and I considered him a friend. I thought he was a real sweet person, mellow, and very genuine. A few red flags went up for me after this unfortunate incident. I'm glad the topic of suicide amongst FLs' followers was brought up because I had meant to post about this before. Here was a devotee who had b
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