Someone in Siddha's group is so busted!!!! If you look on the Hawaiian gov business name search (search button top left) under 'Healthy's' you will notice "Healthy's, Inc' Master Name with an active status. This is the business branch of the Science of Identity Foundation which Down To Earth Natural Foods come under. There is a link to the list of tr
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Siddhavarupananda stated in Sai Speaks that he was experienced in many forms of yoga. These yoga methods were (as research on several gurus shows) throughout Hawaii so he could easily make the claim of seasoned traveller of the spiritual realms - hatha yoga, raja yoga, kriya yoga, Nidra yoga, kundalini. He mentions meeting various Swami's and zennists. According to Sai speaks he wrote Si
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Quotekemo1321What i know about the dream centre is really really good. QuoteWhat they did was through various miracles, they brought an old abandoned hospital building for a very cheep price, other buyers were going to demolish it i think). And they set up a rescue centre for all the homless, ex criminals, on the streets of L.A, In the hospital they have for example a floor for abused woman, an
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Maui wrote : QuoteYou are right that for this modern age for a guru with wealth and a large following to not have at least one temple tells us a lot about that guru. Imagine a christian or jewish or muslim sect without a church, synagogue or mosque? It's unthinkable. Especially since Siddha claims to be a faithful follower of AC Bhaktivedanta who wanted more and more temples and whose sec
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After some consideration, I've decided to share some things about Doreen Virtue that I experienced, for the most part, directly. Here goes... I became a Certified Spiritual Counselor (aka "CSC") upon completing just three weekends of training with Doreen Virtue in the late 1990's. To say that the training was superficial is an understatement. :lol: Interestingly, after
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Rama Das (slave name) wrote : QuoteWhen we dedicate our lives, our hearts, our stubbornness and our ignorance to it, our fear, our pain and our resolution, we are saying a lot about our position to and relationship with life/what is/existence. We are turning our backs on the totality of what is, which speaks to us every moment through everything around us. We are choosing not to face life
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The book OUTRAGEOUS BETRAYAL is an excellent book, and a quick read. Everyone should get a copy from the library, or buy a copy and read it. It contains all sorts of information about Jack Rosenberg, Werner Erhard, and LGAT cults in general. Its all there, the wife-beating, child-abuse and child-beating, Werner Erhard's own daughter accusing him of sexual abuse, Erhard claiming he is o
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The first time that I ever heard about Sai Baba was when I was taking a Bhakti course at a disciple's home in Brisbane. The disciple Gayatri said that Baba was a dangerous mystic. When pressed as to whether such powers as he claimed did actually exist she said that Siddha had instructed that they do but that they are not spiritual. She told a story that a follower in Hawaii had encounte
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Quotezelig The following is an interesting tidbit that parallels Siddha. It should be familiar. Siddha was very critical of this guru. Takes one to know one. ”From the beginning of his Mission, SSB has often stated that he has a human body, which is subject to human suffering. He has also made contradictory statements of superhuman capabilities and, as alleged Omnipotent Avatar , he ha
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Check out the thread called Article by former New Age Teacher. I certainly do not agree with everything written, but it is an interesting discussion, and some very fine points are brought up. CultR- This website is not aesthetically pleasing, but it gives one an idea of how to research bogus guru claims. You will see a lot of similarities with SOI. Don't get put off by the skeptic sl
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QuotecultreporterAnti Cult, I think that you should refrain from making sweeping generalisations. I posted a lot of information from skeptics sources which criticise Randi. . I think exercising critical thinking about everything is great, of course including James Randi. That's what James Randi WANTS you to do, he does NOT want you to "believe" what he says. He wants people to t
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I was much more secure in my faith before I had any involvement at all with taking on a spiritual master. I have now done my time in Science of Identity and associated with devotees and read teachings of three branches of KC and can hardly bring myself to delve into the world of Sai Baba who claims to be Krishna. On this site is some very strange and rather unique articles including Illuminati
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Quoteemntk The story of AC Bhaktivedanta Swami travelling to America from India in 1965 with nothing but a couple of books and $12 and ending up opening over 100 temples travelling the world several times and effectively establishing a whole new religion (in the West at least) arouses the skeptic in me.... I have yet to find any sugguestion that Bhaktivedanta was anything but the amazing spiritu
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Austria: International Religious Freedom Report 2006 Released by the US Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor This report is submitted to the Congress by the Department of State in compliance with Section 102(b) of the International Religious Freedom Act (IRFA) of 1998. The vast majority of groups termed "sects" by the Government were small organizations with fewer tha
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:D Ha Ha Ha ! This is hilarious. There are BEFORE and AFTER photos of miracle water ! I can understand Maa Sai wants to dupe as many people as possible and make the most amount of money. But will you please ask her to be a little subtle? By the way she is a disciple of Sathya Sai Baba ( gold locket fame) Consumer warning : stay away !
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There are often members of groups called "cults" that remain loyal no matter what facts are exposed. Nothing new here. Jim Jones and David Koresh both had people so enthralled they followed these psychopaths literally to death. See And also Shoko Asahara, the madman and cult leader that gassed Tokyo's subway system, though behind bars and sentenced to death--still
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Yes, I'm aware of all of that. But, unless you were there and have personal knowledge of the matter, you're relying on the reports of others. So am I. We have no way of knowing what actually happened. My point is that it's the teachings that matter. Look into that, rather than allegations we cannot prove. Sai Baba has had a following numbering in the millions around the world
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If you read the reports several of those making allegations regarding Sai Baba are those that were once at an ashram or activity with the guru and who claim that he sexually molested them. There were three related suicides reported. See One former follower said, "The being which I called Sai Baba, the living God that I had taken into my heart had been truly abusing my son, for so l
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I'm aware of the allegations and of the effect they had on many of Sai Baba's devotees. Nothing was proven, and the allegations did not diminish the power of his teachings. The vitriol directed at Sai Baba by his former devotees, most of whom had no personal experience with him and no way of knowing whether the allegations were true, has been interesting to observe. Of the dozens
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See Sathya Sai Baba has been labeled a sexual predator by many former followers. A number of news articles report this in detail. Also see the following Web sites critical of Sai Baba:
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There's been some discussion here about Hirindra Singh and Sai Baba in which both were criticized. I've known Hirindra for several years and have found him to be strongly devoted to the cause of peace and legitimate in his work. Sai Baba has been my greatest teacher. It's easy to defame, harder to accept the Truth of certain teachings.
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Quote"I am all that is Nature, I am that which is life." - David Hawkins, Dialogues On Consciousness and Spirituality, page 33 Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. Hawkins is the sole measure of truth in the universe. People never agree on calibrations when they do it, and must depend on him
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Overcome the liar by truth – the Buddha QuoteDoes a true master go around claiming enlightenment? Good question. Jesus did. "I am the light and the way", "no man may come to the Father except through me" seems also to fit the bill, doesnt it? No. Again, please do not set up a straw man. There are eight criteria of NPD. Cult experts claim that he appears to fit the DSM-I
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Let me put this into perspective. Chris Butler and his group is kindergarten compared to other cults - Sai Baba, Maharishi, Bhagwan, etc. Even with western gurus like Moon, Hubbard, etc. These gurus are multi-millionaires. Chris' excesses is nothing compared to them. But Chris is phony just the same, and his problem is he preaches austerity and he's supposedly Christ-like, that's w
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I fail to see any difference in this sense between Butler and other gurus. To name a few, how about Bagwan Sri Rasneesh, Sai Baba, Gourasana, or Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche? All of these people were able to be themselves, "warts and all", as you so colorfully state, and get away with it. It's an intrinsic part of the guru game. Butler seems very commonplace to me. The gurus ab
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sunglider QuoteThis maybe is the genius of Chris Butler which puts him above other gurus. He can be himself, warts and all and not worry about his followers a bit questioning him. In their doctrine, the guru and the Supreme Being are inseparable and loved as one. I fail to see any difference in this sense between Butler and other gurus. To name a few, how about Bagwan Sri Rasneesh, Sai Baba
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initiate: QuoteBoldly, I say, blame the “victim”!... this is one man’s opinion. I don’t need a cadre of experts to validate my point of view This seems to about sum up your position, which as you point out is not supported by hard research and expert analysis. It is a subjective point of view, and nothing more. QuoteThe PLANS organization website you quote extensively from is the mouthpie
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Anti-gnosticJun 24 2005, 04:45 PM The discussion I started "Samael the deciever" has been closed and I want to know why! Rebecca4 wrote: Our disciples must carefully avoid any argument in order not to waste their energy uselessly Not to use their energy useless??? What are you saying? That everything God gave us like the bible and the Quran is worth nothing? We shouldnt
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Anti-gnosticJun 24 2005, 04:45 PM The discussion I started "Samael the deciever" has been closed and I want to know why! Rebecca4 wrote: Our disciples must carefully avoid any argument in order not to waste their energy uselessly Not to use their energy useless??? What are you saying? That everything God gave us like the bible and the Quran is worth nothing? We shouldnt
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QuoteGulab JamonInteresting point. I think commercialism is much more accepted and respected than it was in the "counterculture" 1960s Now it's all about the Joel Osteen and Creflo Dollar success-driven model of Christianity, or Sai Baba and his luxury cars, or Buddhist centers selling expensive Crystal prayer beads. Some great points in their Gulab - bloody depressing but go
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