Doug, The notes were destroyed weeks ago. Frankly, it was a very low priority on my end but found out anyway and they are gone, destroyed. I'm really too busy with my life to continue on with this and will not post nor read this website again. We do have some people here that are concerned with the personal notes that you and Wendy took (to use in your book) and they would like the
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Hey All! Sorry I've been gone for awhile. Just got a new job and coupled with classes and family, haven't had a chance to do anything. Well, the notes are being addressed. Ole really doesn't care what we do with them and the leaders are going through the boxes to find all of them. I've asked Gary to coordinate with me so that I can be there and tell you truthfully that
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Mark, The snide remark I made concerning you getting taken in by a cult was uncalled for. I apologize.
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QuotecultawareAs for me being a...er...fencerider. That is considered an ad-hominen attack for you do not know me. cherenuff1, You yourself have admitted that you have been involved on and off for 15 years and don't participate very much because of other obligations. So how is he attacking you? Seems you just dislike what he has to say. cultware **sigh** I was on for 7 years. Moved
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QuoteHis ramblings from the morning Bible studies that are at TFI's site only confirmed it. No wonder he says that Bible study, prayer etc. is a waste of time to better yourself as a Christian - if people at TFI WERE reading their Bibles regularly on their own, they would realize how "off" Ole' and TFI are. Again...**sigh**, back this up. Show me anything that says Ole say
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QuoteMark Scheiderercherenuff 1- I'm using my real name. explains part of my past - in a cult. Pete Evans from TFI contacted me several years ago - TFI was looking into the cult I was in, ironically - and we spoke several times on the phone and communicated several times by e-mail. Something didn't sit quite right with me in his descriptions of how life went on at TFI, and in wha
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This whole thread reminds me of a conversation I had with my sister-in-law. We were discussing Trinity Doctrine vs. her Baptist Doctrine and it became heated on both sides. After about an hour or two of religious philosphy, we came to the conclusion that in the end, we both believed that we are sinners and Christ died for our sins. We both believed that God is an awesome God and that our live
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QuoteWell, that's just not true. The mind is not an instrument of shame and guilt. Ole's teaching is. Ole told you you should be ashamed, not the Bible. In fact, Scripture says that it is one of our primary means of developing a loving relationship with God. "You are the Antichrist", or "Your mind is the Antichrist"...it's still incorrect thinking, unscriptura
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Quotecherenuff1Quotecounselor47Hi, Cherenuff. Glad to have you back, but it would be nice if you had something new to say. As for having something new to say....Back at ya. I read all the posts that I missed and you, Zuesor and even Nathan just state the same over and over. For those here that are new to this thread this is what it is about. 1. Promoting a book 2. Brian ranting 3. Na
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Quotecounselor47Hi, Cherenuff. Glad to have you back, but it would be nice if you had something new to say. Your post about "The Ten Warning Signs" is an exact copy of something you posted earlier on this discussion thread. Posting the same thing over and over again is not really conversing—it is more like an attempt to shout the other guy down. You have already said that you do not, b
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Quotecounselor47Nathan, and others like you, my wife asked me to post this quote. “When I set out to write the book, I had no intention of starting a war with Ole Anthony or his group, I only wanted to write about my experience in order to provide an alternative perspective on the Trinity Foundation other than the one which has been publicized in the media. Additionally, I wanted to write some
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Being a member off and on for 15 years I'll try to answer these questions as they relate to me. Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. - There is a board of directors and I've seen others dismiss Ole's ideas on certain subjects. Lately, he just gives his two cents worth in and most of the time the
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QuoteMark ScheidererNathan- 2 other things: 1. Reread your very first post on this topic. 2. Reread Zeusor's posts on pages 3 through 5 of this topic. He was in the cult when he first started posting, read the comments on this board, and came out less than 2 months later. If he, who was INSIDE THE CULT at the time, could realize it was a cult, then WHY CAN'T YOU? Mark P.
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QuotecultawareCherenuff1, Would you consider asking Ole for us to destroy those notes on our hot seats? I'm serious. I would sincerly appreciate that act by you. It would say to me that you are being serious and honest about your stated concerns for those who feel hurt by Ole. Please think about it? I am personally sad that you have been hurt by some of the post here. It is creepy and in
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QuotezeuszorHey, I do not have time to comment deeply right now because I am getting ready to leave but will comment later. But, I will say that I have heard Ole say, "You are the Antichrist" lots of times. I do not misunderstand. That's what he said. He is reconditioning your identity and teaching you to give him way too much access to your mind. When he says that you can
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QuotecultawareThis group has definite boundary issues. What I disliked about the heavily encouraged pulic confessions is the fact that they were frequently used against you later on in order to keep you in line. What is really frightening are all the notes Ole kept of everyones "high place" hot seats. I bet these notes are one reason many ex- members have trouble speaking out about thei
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QuotezeuszorQuoteThis is why I'm offended by Wendy's book. The words are twisted without the other realness coming out. This is why I'm offended by you Brian. You can quote scripture like a good little boy but when it comes to living scripture with your heart and soul you are lost. I am well aware of the beam in my eye and you know practically nothing about me or my faith. How
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QuotezeuszorQuoteI suggest this... ONLY those that have been involved with Trinity for 6 months or more should respond to this post. If you haven't, then why are you here? I even include Nathan on this. Despite your suggestion about only posting here if you were a part of TFI for six months or more (I myself was involved for a little more than five) (When are you going to actually c
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QuotecultawareCherenuff1, I agree with you on numbers one and two. I can't agree on number three. I guess they don't do first fruits tithes anymore ( it is a coercive tithe on all your earthly possessions i.e. a spiritual financial shake down). Let's see... number three? I enjoyed the way Ole exposed preacher's hypocrisies (though he hides his own with the help from his elde
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Let's try this one. Counselor, Zueszor, Seeking, cultaware and Mark Scheiderer: What are (were) the three things that you LIKED about Trinity and/or Ole. I'll go first. 1. I like the way that if I have a serious problem that I can pick up the phone and call anyone for help or can open myself up to a group of people and let what I'm feeling out. 2. I appreciate the fact
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QuotezeuszorAnd you never answered my question Nathan: what are your three least favorite things about TFI and its leader, Ole Anthony? I'll answer these. 1. I'm not particularly fond of the notion of helping people that seem to have extreme mental or emotional problems and trying to help them so much. It's fine to give them a roof over their heads, meals everyday but Trinit
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Wow! I go away for about a month and though the words are different, not much has changed..LOL. I've had to read the past postings in order to catch up and personally, I think that Nathan is not out of line. It's funny really (and to be expected). After going through and reading the posts in one setting, it seems to be that when Nathan seems to swing the "anti-Trinity" wa
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Ok...my husband has informed me that I'm spending WAAYYY to much time on this. I even started to call and interview people..LOL but he wants me to stop or I can forget about some Christmas ideas I wanted to do. My friends think I should stop (Trinity and non Trinity) before it becomes an obssession to me like it was to others. I'm stopping. Everyone has their own opinion. Everyone
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Quotecherenuff1QuotezeuszorQuoteNathanAThis forum is really heating up. I said it earlier and I will say it again. My reasons for not yet reading the book, are not because i'm afraid that i'll be wrong, or that i don't want to for that matter. I have not read the book because I have not been sure it is beneficial. Anyone can write a book that is an indictment of someone else. To me
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Quotecounselor47QuoteLet me ask them. Some of them were here for years, some for months, some just visited. You can skip the ones who just visited. I was there for 20 years, remember? I don't think I am going to be impressed by anyone who just visited the place and thought it was neat. But if there are people who spent time there and were legitimately involved and who do not think it is
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QuotezeuszorQuoteNathanAThis forum is really heating up. I said it earlier and I will say it again. My reasons for not yet reading the book, are not because i'm afraid that i'll be wrong, or that i don't want to for that matter. I have not read the book because I have not been sure it is beneficial. Anyone can write a book that is an indictment of someone else. To me it is a matter
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Whats funny is that people are forgetting that I did indeed leave Trinity and was actually part of the original group of ex-members. I sat with Pam, Larry, Powell and others and we had great fun putting down Trinity, putting you and Ole and the other elders down. You're forgetting that I...myself...called it a cult after P/L/P/S/T told me it was. I was angry...of course I would have ag
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Being a member off and on for 15 years I'll try to answer these questions as they relate to me. Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. [u]Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. - There is a board of directors and I've seen others dismiss Ole's ideas on certain subjects. Lately, he just gives his two cents worth in and most of the time
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QuoteNathanASo what's your interest in Trinity, Seeking? It seems like you had your position set when you first started posting. Apparently...WE are still waiting for this answer as well.
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QuoteseekingThis is what I find fascinating. I raise valid questions with NathanA and Cherenuff1 and instead of answering, both of them respond by trying to insinuate that there is something wrong with me. quote] Are you just skimming these posts until your name is mentioned? I've answered you question about...hmmm...10 posts ago? Please look.
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