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16 years ago
kcross
i am not speaking in circles, you are just asking the same two questions repeatedly because you seem to have ran out of other talking points/rhetoric. how many times have you asked the same question? what have any of these done to establish cult like activity? because as you said it is just irregular for a church, and i believe anyone would agree set free is irregular. we have established that
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
16 years ago
kcross
once again you choose to contort my words. as you put it at least two people know where the money goes, whoever does phils books and phil himself. i was using the example of money hes handed me and the money ive seen him hand out to innumerable others (no really i lost count) to offer a very small example of where the money goes, in large part back to the ministry in one way or another. you mu
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
16 years ago
kcross
isnt it odd that im the only one answering any questions here? the only evidence youve offered is that its not run like a typical church (im sure phil would be proud). and yet again there is no independent audit. i have made that clear, but i can tell you when he bought me meals, filled my gas tank, and thousands of other times he reached in his pocket and handed people money. thats more than
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
16 years ago
kcross
accountability is not relegated to democracy. people are also personally accountable to men and to god. again to address the money. any reasonable person can see that money goes to pay for his family, living expenses, homes, vehicles, ministry expenses. from what i have personally seen (yes they do keep records of donations, in fact someone that is not pastor phil does so) there is no glut of
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
16 years ago
kcross
no there is not "an annually published and independently audited financial statement" there is no debate about this. i still fail to see how this defines a cult. no there is no "democratically elected and independent board" that can fire phil aguilar. this has also never been debated. he is the proprietor of the church. it may come as a shock to some but he was also not hir
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
16 years ago
kcross
why are you so hung up about finances? if you had ever spent a single day at phil aguilars house (much less time i spent at set free) you would know that hes not hoarding money. even at that point what if anything at all does it have to do with accusations of cult activity? shall i list mainstream televangelist and preachers accused, caught, or convicted of theft and tax evasion among other crime
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
16 years ago
kcross
its amazing how many of you rely on hearsay and anonymity to spout allegations with little more than speculation for corroboration. the accusations that you people lodge against phil aguilar in specific, and set free in general, are ludicrous. with a show of hands how many of you can attest to having attended a single service much less have shared your lives with these people. the scope of pow
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