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7 years ago
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Well, it's slim pickins... I've experienced bullying from neighbours as a result of having *one* anxiety attack when I recognized I'd been exposed to a year's worth of covert hypnosis from my ex. There has been some vicious slander in the tightknit community - distortions and untruths, originating from a neighbour who was actually the first to recognize my ex is in a cult,
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7 years ago
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Hi, While I can't directly relate to this, I did suffer an anxiety attack and was later traumatized by my experience. What helped in so many ways was therapy with a psychologist who specializes in cults and high-demand groups.
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8 years ago
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After writing this, it occurred to me that the lesson here (ironically, which I add because I used to always look for higher "meaning" in things) is for me to have faith in myself. Best,
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8 years ago
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I take it I'm going through something many of you have. I spent most of my life with a great trust in the Universe / G-d / Dhamma; to take care of me - in fact, somehow - even as an artist - rent always got paid, etc. And when things went badly, I had Infinite Patience (read: too much), because I Trusted in the Divine. Well, I've changed thanks to my involvement with a person i
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8 years ago
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I had such a great laugh! I'm in agreement with most of it, but have to add that I'm "off" beaded bracelet jewelery :) I would think that's more? appealing to sidewalk missionaries; a sign that the person wearing / playing with the bracelet is more likely to already be dabbling in self-hypnosis techniques.
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8 years ago
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Stoic, I'm not saying I'm afraid of people telling stories - that's ridiculous. There is a difference between stories and Ericksonian hypnosis / hypnosis; it is recognizable, and it is very unlikely that I would be subject to that kind of coercion again, because I recognize the difference and yes, ask the person to stop or leave. Paperlane, I'm glad what I've sai
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8 years ago
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paperlane11, many of the points your brought up are complex, and will require some thought; I'll get back to you. Please remind me, if you've already told us, what the credentials of your therapist are.
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8 years ago
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I'll add this to the mix: Self-hypnosis finally is the thing to be aware of. Self-hypnosis is pervasive as a technique in our culture - that includes the secret, landmark, nlp, religions, psychotherapy - When you start to "re-train" how you react to things, through visualization, self-talk; essentially this is self-hypnosis. Being aware of this to me is the key. I think in
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8 years ago
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Hi kkok4kk, I strongly recommend you be in touch with an exit counselor; there are a number of them; do your research and you'll find someone who you feel will give you the best chance of getting through to your daughter. It is frequently very difficult to get people out of cults, because the positive feelings elicited combined with the points of view purported by the group feel like t
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8 years ago
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Hi Paperlane, NLP is largely based on Ericksonian hypnosis; that's what the "quotes" were for - Erickson, from what I understand, never intended his techniques to be used outside a therapeutic context. When I was a teenager, I became the "student" of someone who had been the direct student of Richard Bandler, one of the founders. By the time I was 18, I was at a wha
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8 years ago
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Hi kkok4kk and paperlane11, Hope you're well. There is very little doubt that I was more susceptible to becoming involved with someone who was in a "cult", because I'd been exposed to "Ericksonian hypnosis" through NLP twenty years earlier. I had a discussion a few months ago with a psychologist about this; he spoke about brain plasticity, and how once you&#
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8 years ago
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Suppressed CBS News 60 Minutes on Landmark cult leader Werner Erhard, 3 Mar 1991:
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8 years ago
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Why is NLP not on this list: ?
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8 years ago
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I will add, these groups are not all about money – they are also about power.
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8 years ago
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Hi Stoic, Being aware of the language of trance induction doesn't mean that one has to have experienced trance. The other point is that with an ethical psychologist hypnotherapist, trance is used in a consensual way, in specific and limited applications. Here are some articles by Dr. Steve Eichel: , who works with former members of high-demand groups : From: "Prolonged T
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8 years ago
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Exposing yourself to Ericksonian hypnosis / NLP outside the therapeutic context makes one _more_ susceptible to its covert use. I was attracted to someone who is involved with people who use these techniques covertly; I found our metaphorical dialogue just lovely. Until a year later, when I figured out I'd been subject to covert hypnosis. My view is: steer clear. If you do get involved
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8 years ago
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I'd make you run if I could. The problem with cults is that they teach their members to manipulate themselves. It's not like the "guru" is brainwashing everyone constantly - from what I understand the way it works is that new ways of thinking are encouraged - that's why it's called, "Thought Reform". So why are you seeing someone who is an adherent
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8 years ago
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Hi Walter, Unless you're referring to a re-issue of, "Frogs into Princes" (originally printed in 1979), my understanding is it was written before Anthony Robbins was on the radar.
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8 years ago
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Someone should really update Anthony Robbins' Wiki entry; it doesn't mention hypnosis, and barely nods to NLP: On NLP's Wiki page, Anthony Robbins is not even listed as a, "Notable Practitioner":
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8 years ago
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Hi, One of the major changes for me post-cult exposure is my change in view of others. I've been incredibly earnest most of my life; truly believing that people will take the high road when push comes to shove - because that's what I am like. It's such an eye opener realizing most people function on facades - not so earnest. If I'd been less naive about people, I coul
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8 years ago
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Hi Mamadrama, I am not a fan of NLP - I was involved in my teens to the level of master practitioner - whatever that means. I left most of it behind by the time I was in my late teens. Now that I'm examining why I became involved with someone who was in a cult (with the help of an exit counselor), I've had to examine my attraction to NLP in the first place. It may interest you
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8 years ago
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Hi All, The good news is that not everyone believed the person who was spreading the rumour; in fact, one tenant came to me and told me that this person was gossiping, and they never believed for a second I had mental illness, but immediately thought the person spreading the gossip (the neighbour who "helped" me) was unbalanced. In fact, the person spreading the gossip is on medicati
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8 years ago
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Hi Raymondadam, Can you be more specific?
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8 years ago
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Hi Stoic, I really don't want to argue with you - you saying, "What do you know", etc.? I've explained my view of what I see as manipulative about the article on Jhana in my previous post. Regards, Q2.
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8 years ago
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Hi Corboy, I would add (though I take it you were implying this as well) that it is not sufficient to _ask_ a teacher / religious leader what their standard of ethics is - a person can say anything, right? I think one has to observe a teacher, their colleagues, _and_ their students and listen to _all_ of one's own responses to all three in order to make a better assessment.  Stoic,
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8 years ago
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Hey Stoic, Speaking of making distinctions, I was not saying that the proper study of Zen is equivalent to NLP.  I said that amongst a number of NLP practitioners, they consider Zen a high-level version of NLP.  I mention it, as it could partly account for the infiltration of NLP techniques into Buddhism.  That said, I stand by what I said with respect to "mind training" - i
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8 years ago
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Hi Corboy, The person who taught me NLP said, "Zen is pure NLP". He was a direct student of Bandler's. Here's an example of what I'm seeing in Thanissaro's work: Normalcy by Thanissaro Bhikkhu I will point out at the beginning of his treatise, Thanissaro explains how various naturally occurring trance states are undesirable - trance in general is undesirab
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8 years ago
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Oh grumble... I made a pdf of some discussions on the subject from Facebook, before the group, "Women and the Forest Sangha" was deleted by the group moderators, and only the first page of any discussion saved. I do have this: From, Public Letter to Thanissaro Bhikkhu, a Facebook discussion in the Group, "Women & the Forest Sangha", by a member of the public, in r
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8 years ago
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Quotecorboy Also, not enough seekers are aware that persons claiming to teach ancient methods of meditation have covertly included technology from modern methods of trance induction and Large Group Awareness Trainings (LGAT) If a guru does story telling (and many use stock stories and metaphors from the Hindu tradition) and covertly uses Ericksonian methods of conversational trance this is dan
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8 years ago
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Hi, I just went back to my co-op apartment after spending 6 months staying with a friend post-cult involvement.  My neighbour, who "helped" me when I had a massive panic attack once I realized that my ex was involved in a cult that uses Erickonian hypnosis-type techniques - on myself as well has suggested that I google, "paranoid schitzophrenic", because that's her
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