More on the Gianstefani's departure: Background to the London project: Written by Sue. For a year before and during the reunion of the Jesus Christians in Australia in 2010, Sue Co-produced (with Alf) a film called "The Tyrant Within". After Roland and I were kicked out of the Jesus Christian community in Australia (run by Dave Mckay), we had endeavoured to mainta
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QuotezeuszorThank you for your compliment, Mal. Like I've always said: I'd rather be faulted for going too far in expressing my opinions with respect to DM and his activities, than to be faulted for standing by, saying and and doing nothing about him. That's how I see it. You could certainly never be accused of taking a back seat, zeuszor. I would like to take this oppor
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Just a thought. "John has a long mustache" "John has a long mustache"
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Time to update the dossier perhaps?
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Email Father David sent to his victims/followers just before the ''disbanding''. From: David McKay Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: Joe's implosion comments Dear brothers and sisters, Dave here. "Implosion" as a term: No alternative term was suggested, and I don't think it is necessary to find another one. In some ways
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Credit to Sue and Jinny for at least trying to bring some truth to the Jesus Christians wiki page. They have been dismissed as former members/associates with an axe to grind by someone with an Australian IP address. My money's on the old wanker extraordinaire himself! It must be killing him not having full control of their wiki page, oh diddums..... Two editors (Sue Gianstefani
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QuoteapostateQuotecultmalleushmmmm, concerning stuff QuoteBut a better example is paedophilia. Kids are not FORCED to have sex, and yet society says it is wrong. I know, I know, they are not adults. But you see, we each have our restrictions that we think makes it wrong or doesn't make it wrong. And so what we decided to experiment with is just trying to follow the rules as we honestl
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QuotezeuszorDave McKay is selfish, narcissistic, committed to his own pleasure, and committed to the feeding of his own grandiose self-image, no matter what it might cost anybody else. Never forget that. "Dialog" with him at your own risk. What it boils down to, is that David hates anything or anybody that he cannot control. DM derives pleasure from manipulating people, period.
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Very thoughtful of you, zeuszor! I hope they take you up on your offer.
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Seems to have a new address. Here it is.
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The UK Jesus Christians website has now been removed.
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The following week the entire community (originally including ourselves) were booked to go on a one week cruise up the coast of Queensland with friends and relatives of the Jesus Christians. Dave had said that for those of us who distributed, it would be a reward for distributing 20,000 books in the previous year. Roland, Dann and I all had reached the target and Roland had actually been one o
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Horrifying what these families are put through. They're the real victims. The level of control Dave's victims/followers are under is frightening. A Big Mistake by Alan June 2013 Summary: This article explains how Dave Mckay pushed Alan to confront his wife to get money from the proposed sale of their jointly owned property. This motivation (the love of money, the ro
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Pretty much supports my previous thoughts on the ''disbanding''. It was all a cunning ploy to whitewash their appalling history and at the same time seek new membership. They hoped to mislead potential victims/followers who would only find out the truth once fully ingrained. Well, now we have concrete evidence that the repulsive old pervert is indeed still pulling the puppet s
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QuotezeuszorCheers, Mal. The boy is over 18 years of age now, and therefore is likely living away from his parents (one way or the other). Have either of you (Mal, Apollo) considered this? Yes, I have considered that. I think it's important that this new off-shoot group is brought to the attention of the authorities and this would be a good starting point. If anything it'll bring at
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This is beyond belief. I'm lost for words. McKay actually wanted to leave a 15 year old child on the streets for three weeks. The fact the Gianstefani's actually went along with it, even for a short period, tells us what type of parents they are, scum of the earth. I don't care what level of control they're under, there's no excuse for leaving a 15 year old child on th
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Welcome back zeuszor and thank you for this! Again you astound me with your astute research skills. This is very disturbing news but certainly not surprising. We all suspected they were still polluting our streets in one way or another. The McKay way has been ingrained into them. There may well be some bitterness towards McKay or it may just be a smoke screen. Regardless, i'm sure
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More evidence that the Truth Believers/Jesus Christians continue to sell their propaganda on our streets. This gentleman is from Mnachester so I assume that's where he met them. THe Truth Believers Sell Me A DVD Posted on January 12, 2013 I take pity on forlorn guys flogging their tunes on street corners. This one had a beard and I was in a hurry. I paused and went back to the y
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Interesting to note there's been movement on the Jesus Christians wiki page recently with both Jinnythesquinny and Sue Gianstefani making various edits. One does wonder why they've suddenly decided to take on this role. In one angry outburst Jinnythesquinny aka Zoe Briggs (serial JCs apologist) demands an explanation from the wikipedia editors. Jinnythesquinny 10:13, 20 May 2
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Welcome to the forum j_c_watcher. Dave McKay's cult has gone underground and their recent activity is unknown. It is believed this decision was taken due to various allegations regarding child abuse within the cult. Please visit www.xjcs.org to find out more info and meet like-minded ex-Jesus Christians.
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A ''gentleman'' named Dave has posted a comment on their blog. It sounds awfully much like the old wanker extraordinaire himself, desperately trying to justify his freeloading existence. Dave says: November 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM I checked out that German woman. It’s strange that the only posts were made over two days (June 18 and 19). Probably because there was so mu
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I see the LiveWithoutLovingMoney cult (off-shoot of the Jesus Christians cult) are now actively seeking new members. It is believed ''former'' Jesus Christians followers/victims Grace Hill-Speed and the two Kronmiller twins, Jeremy and Jayme, are fronting this group. “Help Wanted” (i.e. show me the money) Posted on November 20, 2012 Have you ever thought of becomi
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Is he really ''over'' though? I'm not so sure. It seems he's in semi-retirement. He's taken a back seat, due to his age and health, but he still has a level of control over his flock. I suspect Joe and Alf are the day to day leaders, with McKay still pulling the strings in the background. They'll probably go to him regarding any major decisions. The Trut
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I haven't heard anything.
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QuoteApollo Here's McKay's last post to Cross Reach aka Irish Dave: QuoteDave 13/09/2012 17:15 Hi, Irish Dave. It's 3am here in Oz. I actually got up to delete my earlier post, but you had already seen it and replied. I don't want to get into tit for tat with you. But I think that it is also necessary to "mark" you as a deceiver. I feel your only reason f
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If anyone wants a good laugh i'd recommend reading the Jesus Christians forum/cult recruitment site. Honestly, it's an absolute hoot! The paranoid old git now spends his days ranting at the few posters who bother to visit his forum, before banning them. He continually repeats this process. In recent times we've had ''Enow'', who challenged McKay's int
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QuoteApollohttp://www.jesuschristians.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi This Account Has Been Suspended Hmmmmm, could this be due to an impending investigation into Mr McKay's affairs? The Jesus Christians cult recruitment site has reopened! Who knows what the problem was, perhaps McKay is struggling to pay the bills? That would certainly be an encouraging sign. It would suggest hi
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This Account Has Been Suspended Hmmmmm, could this be due to an impending investigation into Mr McKay's affairs?
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The Following picture shows Jeremy Kronmiller, Jayme Kronmiller and Grace Hill-Speed attending an LA Catholic Worker event last year. All three appear to be running this site which is a recruitment site for a Jesus Christians breakaway group. They may have good intentions however I think it's important that the LA Catholic Workers are at least warned about these people. They may be
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You've been banned already? Take it as a compliment. It means Dave knows he can't control you. If he sees no opportunity to control or manipulate then he'll quickly ban you. That forum is there for Dave to seek new victims/followers. It has no other purpose. It's quite clear you've studied the bible in great detail. You already have vast knowledge and Dave will feel
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