I suspect that this movement is a cult - has anyone come across then before? At the moment I have been working with one of the people that is supplying litereature for them - on a unrelated music project. Then one morning I got sent a "manifesto". As I talk to her more the more I realise that its very possible that she unaware of her "guru" qualities - or even of cult like
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I knew it was a mistake to post a response! You cryonicists have very similar styles of writing (must take a certain type) and I am sure I had had similar conversation with a Cryonicist called Ciphergoth back when I was very interested in this subject. Anyway, I have been through all these arguments before 4 years ago with various cryonics fanatics/cultists and its simple: Those who have sign
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Ciphergoth is that you? :) Well cryonicist whoever you are - I am only responding as I checked an old e-mail account I had and this message flashed up. This is what you call a "ghost thread" - meaning its a very old thread that no-one posts in anymore. You have gone to a lot of effort so Its only fair you get a answer from one of the people you hoped you would address. Just s
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Mike is not very well and hasn't been for many years - recently i have been researching his career and will be updating my website very soon. (Not the nicest research i have done) I am actually grateful mike lost it and declared war on his critics as it made me realise how half assed I was doing things by just ranting - it may seem quiet but things are moving along behind the scenes
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@ Stoic - Thanks for reminder about George C Smith and lucifer.com - I will add that to my communications to max - :) Currently we are arguing about the cult connections he says he doesn't believe it but it looks like hes involved. I have to admit to taking a almost peverse pleasure in watching him squirm around trying to explain his more extreme views as rational. Funny you should men
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As "requested" Max More responds to the accusations of Satanism - I have not edited anything he said so you can see that hes quite confrontational about the recent accusations and seems genuinely pissed off that people think hes a peadophile warlock! I didnt like the way he implys that users here are being dishonest . I think we have looked at the evidence and made conclusions which
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ACS is one of the oldest cryonics firms and Edgar Swank has been shown he was once in the church of satan - It is my belief he got Amanda Belvins involved in Satanism as well and used her to promote cryonics to satanists and others through Myspace. Cryonics Institute has George C Smith who DELIBRATLY set up the Temple of Vampire Cult to promote cryonics as a religion and wrote articles on the
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I have been taking a break for a little on this subject - I had a good clear out of my poor brain and have been "offline" for the past week or so. I am not ashamed to admit that the whole pedophilia thing has been head-fuck for me and like the Vampire Cult I "discovered" much more than I anticipated. I was dissapointed about Max More and the fact that he thinks that he h
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You Must remember this: - Every web debate ends with one party comparing the other to nazis! :) I kinda View PETA as another Cult - Seriously they have taken animal rights 12-13 step's too far. Theres definitly some horrible NEEDLESS stuff being done to animals in the name of cryonics research - but those PETA people have their own agenda and its like fighting fire with well fi
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lol I enjoyed mark plus's veiled death threat and the way they compared me threatening to pelt Ben Best with Eggs to Tuscon Arizona shooting rampage. "Richie XXXXX has noted his emotional drive and hatred of cryonics, and his interest to harm you physically. In light of the recent events that happened in Tucson, AZ; I wonder if you have reported these threats to the British aut
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Should be up in the next 24 hours I heard its been done and I will be sent the link ASAP (when its live) In the Meantime: Mike "darwin" Fedowitz - call to arms for Cryonics Activists.
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Max More will be making a statement over this weekend - I will post the link as soon as it goes up. I hope to be pleasently surpised - but we will have to see what he says. still confused....
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"I imagine this as being a lot like an old fashioned coin sorter--the one where you pour loose change into a slot, shake the container, and the pennies, dimes, nickels and quarters stack into the different sized slots. By doing a series of ever more extreme thought experiments, possibly one can do a selection process analogous to the coin sorter." I think what corboy said also can
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Like I said AC - I checked this thoroughly and I am away of how contrary my stance now is. I have spoken with all sides on this and I can tell you that even people that profess to know/support Max are shocked. They also want him to explain this - I can assure you he is getting it from all sides. I am also still waiting for the "official" statement before I make up my mind fully
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This is a hard post to write - But when your wrong you have to come forward and admit it and try to make things right - And I think I was wrong and I do not want to accuse Max of this after looking at the evidence and consulting people. I have spoke to Max More personally about the Article he wrote which made us all outraged - and this was his reply (UNEDITED) My regrettable writing
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She can sue me too! Fair play to her for standing by her man - Shame he had/has questionable beliefs - hes obviously a fruitcake! Max has messed up here leaving that document online - :)
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"Join me, join Lucifer, and join Extropy in fighting God and his entropic forces with our minds, our wills, and our courage. God's army is strong, but they are backed by ignorance, fear, and cowardice. Reality is fundamentally on our side. Forward into the light!" After reading Mr. More's article, I had a laughing fit. Think about it...Saul Kent, and others, whini
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Hopefully with Melody saying all that and standing by him - Shannon Blevins will finally get some of his problems sorted out. Blevins is still a cryoncist enthusiast (!) he never asked for help exposing his abusers to damage "cryonics" despite what Ben Best and Co are saying. They have tried to paint him as a uneducated hillbilly drunk who was abusive to his wife and was making a lo
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max more being aggressive on US TV: AND His real names Max T O'conner and hes from Bristol UK - r he moved stateside and set up the extropian cult and a a cryonics company originally called Mizar which became Alcor - AND and
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Speaking Of Nazi Doctors - Heres a Bedtime story from Mike "darwin" Fedowitz. A history of cryonics from someone who has been playing Doctors since he was 14. Pretty disturbing stuff, Animal Testing, Corpsicle Mutilation Photo's, insider cryonics gossip and self delusional bullshit Not light reading...
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FAO: RR MOD Is being two faced count as a personal attack? Enoonsti has a problem with people on this Forum and seems to spend his time trying to harrass, unmask or patronize us - then crows about it to his cryonics buddies on Cold Filter, imminst and less wrong too.: - - and to name a few He is also making some rather unnecessary comments on that forum regarding peoples state of mi
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Wow Stioc - quite a analysis! Will re-read properly later. Theres more of interest on the old CUK Website: Including writings by Sebastion Sethe regarding tjhe cost involved and legal Issues. - A far cry from their current website - which make no mention these costs. Heres the old Cryonics Europe Network pAges: And this is really strange:
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Sorry about that - It needed saying! OK heres some other stuff i came across heres interesting - I suppose this is the work of Nemo again: Cryonics As Religion by George Smith - I assume from the style of writing its George C Smith Aka Nemo/Lucas Martel. On the old Cryonics UK website before the current "ticket to the future" thing they have now:
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Agreed Stoic - "I heard a confused and scared woman and her husband's worried responses." Thing is enoonsti is young (about 23-24) and he doesn't get it he just doesnt have the life experience to make a valid judgement. He is trying to downplay stuff and "academisise" (LOL) but he doesnt really get it - he lives in enoonsti world a happy place of fluffy clouds
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I was sent some Interesting posts by Current ToV member and people who have "investigated before" - might explain things for KenW and the Cold Filter people. Pyramid Scheme: "Their present sales plan is as follows: 1. A person can become a member by purchasing The Vampire Bible for $35.00 (hard cover) or $20.00 (soft cover). The Vampire Bible numbers around 20 pages. Muc
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hmm how interesting - lots of familiar names in that little group Sven Bulterijs Ghent Uni + Immortality institute director who also expressed a desire to join the vampires (according to David Styles) Mark Plus - Director I believe and Manager of Ventureville also keen on the idea child euthanasia to forward the feild of cryonics R Michael Perry - Reverend Perry of course chief nullo
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Heres Mel Max's Take on this: "While I am 1,000 percent in favor of religious freedom, I don't see how anyone can take the Church of Satan, or the Temple of Vampires, seriously. Too many of their former members have come out with stories that make those organizations seem more like cults and pyramid schemes, than any religion. Logically, any organization being sincere about a r
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your right as well it hasn;t been taken down YET - Hmm maybe Ettingers being lied to as well!
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Styles was first unmasked by one of his buddies who has left the cult after being abused by Styles and George C Smith - the person who i refer to as G. This was all over the Imminst forum in the summer but the ToV members cleaned the information and discredited G as much as possible so it didnt stick. I contacted G. about 2 months ago and after he realised we had similar causes he sent me
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It's annoying to have to reiterate what I have already clearly stated, not to mention what should be obvious to anyone paying attention. First of all, look at this from the Eucrio web site: "EUCRIO employs a wide variety of professionals as contractors: including physicians, perfusionists, emergency medical technicians, engineers and scientists, throughout the European Union.
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