there was no report of pastor fernando resigning but he is not shown on the website anywhere. anyone know about him? I understand he is the only one with true credientials.
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I'm not defending the ROC. Just asking some ?'s. Where is Sammie on all this? Is she brainwashed that badly? Has no family to go back to? Does she have any education at all? Did she even graduate high school (some how I doubt it?) Does she believe she can't be successful without G? Was she in the trenches in the founding days of the ministry or was she at home not allowed "to
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I've been in attendance in several churches over the course of my christian life. Every time there is whispering or jibbering in church it is women-never the men. I think that is what the bible is talking about where it says women should keep silent in the church. Also, who was the first PERSON to report the resurection (sp)?? Mary. The bible also reports that many women followed Jesus and
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regarding posts of this last page. Loyalty is a fine quality and the church really needs some more of it, but, these people seem to talk and behave they they are still in a gang. At least in my observation. Or, is it just me? Just asking.
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It doesn't seem that this ministry encourages education at all. I've never read on here or headr anyone saying they were encouraged to pray about going to college or trade school or anything else. That, I don't get b/c we need to be self supporting. A person can actually go to school and do ministry at the same time. The Apostle Paul was a tent maker and did ministry at the same ti
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regarding the above link, wonder what "Beauty OF Ashes" is??? and WHO ARE THOSE KIDS???? I know the person who posted the link did not compile it. But I'm glad you made it known. This link doesn't sound like worshiping Jesus, it souds like . . . . worshiping . . . . someone else . . . (????)
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To Jack Miles: no, i do not know the dean at all. His name and picture are on the website. I am very sorry for your hurts. I hope and pray you will be able to stick with God and just listen to Him. He does love you very much but even He cannot stop people from sinning.
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To Jack Miles: I presume you are a man. Do you mean Dean Jason Helmlinger? In which case they condone same sex relationships as well as adultery? Seems to be the case.
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you are certainly free to ask, and I really don't blame you for it. No, I am none of those, not a staff member, (I don't work for free, that's called volunteering) not a supporter, a member or even a regular attender. Just someone trying to understand how this goes on for so long. I am one, though, who always wants to see justice prevail. You explained the most by stating the per
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So what about the criminal charges that people on this site talk about filing?
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There are 7 yrs. of postings on this blog. If G has done all this stuff, (not saying he hasn't), why hasn't his wife taken the kids, left him and moved back to CA. ? Who really wants to be with someone like that? I guess a better ? is, what's wrong with her, to stay in that life?
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In order to obtain food stamps a person must report the names and income of all people living in the home. There may be different guidelines for folks in a group living arrangement such as a discipleship home, halfway house or group home. If a person say, has a child and they live with their parents, they have to report the parents income to social services.
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We have approx. 7+ yrs. of posts here and one thing I don't recall reading (but it might be in here) is that G & his possee (may be spelled wrong) were on staff at Victory Tabernacle Church of God on Genito Rd. in Chesterfield County when they first came to VA. They make it sound like they came here and opened the ROC the 1st week they were here. No, they were hired staff at another chur
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I have never been a member of the roc, not even a regular visitor. So, to ibelieve, you are wrong. I came here to learn and share and ask questions, like lots of other people. I was wondering if the time slots alloted during the conference that is advertised seem short (?) how you can teach churches who know nothing (or little) about what they do in such a short amount of time. Maybe I'm
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Any thoughts on their upcoming conference?
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burry-maybe you need a different program (?) Doesn't sound like this one is working for you. Seriously. I'm just saying. What does work for some people doesn't work for others. Thats why there are lots of programs around. Good luck and God Bless.
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I am well aware of the purpose of this blog, which is why I chose to participate. I probably did use wrong word in using "assault" I probably, by defination, should have used the word "Battery", an unwanted or unsoliciated (sp?) touch. Further, I did not mean for anyone to tell ME personally about private investigations. I mean tell the blog if possible. I am not in any way
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ok, some observations: In one of Burry's posts, it sounded like he was referring to a guy named "Andrew" who couldn't carry on a conversation. Next, as far as Samantha goes, she is probably like one of those women who suffers from years of physical (and mental) abuse. Maybe she doesn't think she (or the kids) have a way out. If G is the gang/ghetto thug described in t
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Where is Samantha and the children is all this? In the end, these are the people who get hurt the most. Not to make light of all the other people being hurt at all, but these kids are truly innocent. Remember to pray for all concerned.
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OK Everyone . . . that's been posting on here all these years, now is your chance. Often times reporters will use "changed names" in their investigations in order to protect innocent people. If 4 folks from the last two pages of posts will contact by private e-mail, you will have a greater voice. "If God be for you, WHO can be against you"???? IF no one respones, we wi
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TO:12recover: I pray to God you have the strength to follow through with this situation. Your cousin should probably 1st see a private attorney. If you don't have money, look for a "Pro Bono" person. Through out this thread folks have stated that "God will take care of things" (so to speak) WELL. . . if YOU know of a crime and don't report it what does that make y
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why don't you list them here? I'm not on their side, only on the side of right, not wrong. Of course don't do it if God isn't leading you to, yet.
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Pardon the bad grammer, but he and none of the other ROC'ers, THEY AIN'T GONNA DO CRAP!!!! I agree that putting someone out in the street with their 2 suitecases is BAD . . . Very un-Christlike. That is true. They are ALL ALL ALL mouth. They would NOT jepordize their financial support from Faith Based Inititive (sp??)$$$$. And all the offerings that pour into the ROC from other chur
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Perpaps I meant local richmond media like the Richmond Times Dispatch or NBC 12. Some people do not even believe these post are done by real people but they WILL believe anything that is reported in the news or in newspapers.
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To: trulyblessed - don't make it a novel, which of course is fiction. Make it a Memoir. NO ONE, I mean No One can stop you. You pray and see what God says. Follow Him. Venting on this site is probably good, at least for not "stuffing" your (and everyone's) hurts. Yet this action is still somewhat passive. Nobody who has information has really done anything with it. Not tha
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To: notperfectyet: You have posted many good things. It sounds like you already know the answer. As far as "however long it takes for him to get his act together" . . . He's been in Richmond 10 yrs. +/-. WHat about his time in TX & CA ? These posts on misconduct sound like Christianity 101----the stuff you learn the first 3 months you are saved, not MULTIPLE years later. (li
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FYI-this thread has been removed again from the "Controversy" tab in Wikipedia. 2nd time that I'm aware of.
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So . . . is there ON ONE, out of 41 pages of posts, that KNOWS where the founding leadership of the ROC received their education/credentials and ordination from? Maybe they don't even have any of this. If you know either way, please post. If we don't ask this basic question from the outset, we (the public) must be the ones with problems. This sounds like the typical dysfunctional rel
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To: FreeAtLast: Since you knew them in CA, do you happen to know the answer to my previous post, asking about leadership credentials? I believe by your postings that you are indeed very knowledgagle about what information you provide. Thank you.
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Does anyone know where the pastor and staff of the ROC went to college and received their ministry education/credentials and through whom they were ordained? This may be posted somewhere here and I just missed it.
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