The amount of crazyness is quite beyond common sense. NKT managed to get even researcher involved in their business, and a comment is made about the honesty of the subjects as they, ‘have all taken vows for life to abstain from lying and only speak the truth’. Uhh. for details see: NKT monks beat retreat over wind farm – from Tharpaland to Schloss Sommerswalde
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Thank you. I cannot take "lineage holder" seriously, that's why I tend to ignore what the person writes in the details. Recently someone from the New Kadampa Survivors found out more lies and the facts: The Western Shugden Society was set up on 26 Jun 2008 as a ‘Private Limited’ by guarantee with assets, it was registered to a specific address (Studio 177 56 Tavistock Pl
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oh je, 'lineageholder" its always the same: everything which doesn't agree with NKT pov is necessarily biased ;-) What to do? The NKT holds the truth, everybody else must be wrong.
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I made a summery page which summerizes the key points of the controversy surrounding the New Kadampa Tradition, and where there are links for further information: At A Glance: The Setting of the New Kadampa Tradition (NKT) / Kadampa Buddhism, Dorje Shugden, and Western Shugden Society Happy New Year!
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Thank you. I would like to pick up some thoughts of you: "But this is not to say that Geshe-la is wrong in advising us to respect all religious traditions and practice only one of them purely, without picking and mixing." I think it is wrong. Why? This concept is based on grasping for inherent existent purity and leads to attachment towards one's own school and either host
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to correct myself: "I am sorry but I get about 40 emails a day" should be read: "at times I get about 40 emails day" because its not always like this ...
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QuotesuperscotDear Tenzin Peljor - la, Thank you for sending the PDF of the vows. I can't help roaring with laughter when after I emailed you and asked whether the deities of Tibetan Buddhism, ie Chenrezi, Manjushri et al were seen as actual deities to be worshipped or aspects of mind to be understood, I had no reply from you. On emailing you again to say that I have thought over it
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QuoteLineageholderYou will notice that they do not deny that such abuses have taken place, nor have their said (as implied by your words) ' it was clear that the followers of that deity had committed acts of violence and perhaps assassination.' No such statement was made by AI. AI responded to the allegations of the NKT via Dorje Shugden Supporter Community, and a handful of Tibet
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Hi Thomas, the Wikipedia entries have been taken over by NKT editors around April 2008 before the NKT via Western Shugden Society started their new campaign against the Dalai Lama. I wrote something about this here: The AI statement can be found here:
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I've sent you an email ... love t Yes; keep looking around!
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Quotesuperscot My big admission is that I am presently an ordained person. I don't want to undo my vows but I feel like a fraud, even though I have no problems keeping them. I live alone in a remote area away from worldly life and find it so easy to practice in the silence here. Even though I might not be seen as a properly ordained person, I read my vows daily and keep to them. The Dharm
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QuotesuperscotThanks Corboy and Tenzin Peljor, I'm starting right back at the beginning with the Dhammapada. After my experiences I feel like a fraud though and wonder if I'd be welcome at a mainstream centre even though I've never practiced Shugden. I just ignored it and got on with the Chenrezig and Manjushri instead! Kind thoughts to you all! As far as I know there is no
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Quotesuperscot I'm just looking for a sounding board as I start to remove myself from this and get back into genuine mainstream Buddhism. I think this is the best you can do. I am happy to see someone who has that clarity about this subject matter. Congratulations and Good Luck!
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Dear Sulmaya, thank you very much! I appreciate your openness and honest and frank reply! With respect to be able to compare and to judge different systems, within religious systems ISCON, Diamond way and FWBO are similar to NKT in being controversial and at least the latter two are also similar to NKT by claiming to study only in that school of though is sufficient, there is discouragement t
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Dear Sulmaya, thank you very much fpr your reply, yes it is true, meant the pros not the cons, there are also some spelling and grammar errors... Actual the complete trainings for monks and nuns as well as the rituals are based on the vinaya and the heart of it is the Pratomosksha. The Vinaya is one of the three baskets of Buddhism, and it is an important one, the Vinaya Sutra says: QuoteB
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I think I made a fault. I checked only on a surfaced level the last comments and I was wondering what their value are with respect to the topic. But now after having glanced through it, I think they have some interesting points. The issue of spiritual materialism and also Chögyam Trungpa seem to fit well into a discussion of NKT too. So I do apologize for my previous comment because it was based
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QuoteStoic Why are you here on the Geshe Kelsang and the New Kadampa Tradition thread? Good point. It would be good to stick to the topic and not to distract from in be it accidental or consciously.
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The BBC docu about NKT has been made available by someone: or
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Just to let you know, I've just recognized a new blog from a former NKT follower who was once very active in defending NKT and claims to be a professional writer. The blog does not accept comments but it is worthwhile to read. It might take some time for the person to realize that an organization is always much like the head of it and that the state of NKT has in fact to do a lot with Ke
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@vdesign: only very short due to lack of time. thanks for the hint with the links, I updated them. That LON sees himself and his students in line with the "crazy wisdom" approach he stated in an interview: (I linked that also in the article.) The connection with Trungpa's CW I got from there, but I got it wrongly, hence I revised that passage. Thanks for the hints. (I just
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@vdesign. Thank you this is very helpful. Due to different reasons I compiled an own article in German about LON but used for this only available sources which can be checked. So now I was able to add at least this point in a footnote.
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QuoteSceptic Watcher@Tony Dublin Could you provide a reliable translation of the polish article? Google Translator creates something that is readable, but far from clear. @Tenzin Peljor In one of his books, Nydahl writes about the incident, but doesn't go into details about what exactly the letter said, only that Trungpa referred to him as Rudra. Thank you. In case anybody has the exa
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Hi there, maybe some one can help me with a question/source. Over the last years I heard from different sources that Chögyam Trungpa was very critical of Ole Nydahl and that he posted wanted posters in his centers in the USA which had an image of Ole on it and which announced that Ole Nydahl were not welcomed there. As far as I recognized Ole seems to mention often Chögyam Trungpa in the pre
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Dear wiac, since you wrote me also personally we have now a double talk one in public one privately. I hope we are able to keep both threads seperately. You say: "I dont think wishes are powerless." Wishes have power, but you could also wish that you get not sick anymore in this life or that you don't die. But no matter how much you wish things which are unrealistic from an ord
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I hope you don't mind if I answer you? With respect to your wish to look for fellows who wish to change NKT from within to the better, you might contact Robertect from the forum He and some others were for a short time members of the NKS but felt it would be better to make an own group dedicated to change NKT from within to the better. Subsequently they founded this yahoo group above
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Hi there, I added some new information on my blog with respect to NKT. It could be helpful for some to read a post about threats of legal actions against others by NKT and how NKT is launching a new campaign to attract new members by offering events in bookshops and collaborating with Waterstones. The latter post also includes an internal training manual by Tharpa, NKTs publishing arm: New
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Lets try to focus on the underlying emotions. I get from your post that there is fear, that there is longing for a true spiritual path and spirituality. Taking the latter emotion first: the stronger the longing for a spiritual path the more one may be open for all those (exaggerated and unrealistic) promises usually made by "cults". Also those groups promise an easy path. All what the
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Quoteoverthetop I am seriously stunned. I am so saddened right now. Looking for an alternative to the SGI, and now I feel lost again...and I will admit, becoming afraid to continue my spiritual practice... I went to a couple events at the NKT center here in my town. In comparison to my SGI experience, this was incredibly low-pressure. Needless to say, I'm having lots of second thought
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Whatisacult, by glancing quickly through the exchange and discussion with rrmoderator, it seems you are a rather unconventional NKT follower, who tries really to be open and to get a better understanding of what is going on without defending everything. Well, this is a very good basis for discussion, I think.* Since I lack time and there are enough other people (Ex-NKT) who can discuss with you,
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Wiac, I lack time for detailed discussion but maybe I can contribute with some points. When you say "What Im trying to say is that I am following instructions of Geshe Langri Tangpa, Geshe Chekawa, Lamrim of Atisha, Shantideva. And Chandrakirti is my ambition my goal!" I would like to add - if you follow exclusively NKT - you follow their instruction as presented by the NKT/KG. This mea
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