hello all it has been a few years since i posted on this forum. The news about Tulsi running for president brought me back. Surely now, a light will be shone on The Science of Identity and Tulsi Gabbard's deep involvement. She has released statements saying she is now opposed to discrimination of LGBTQ+, that she has learned a lot, and has changed. and of course, an apology. I
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i'm still standing :) thanks corboy for your efforts. We all know that *stuff* happens in computerland, seems we have some work to do. we can try to summarize the issues a bit to bridge the gap. We can re-name the major players and the harms they are doing. I'll work on something.
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Flash, I have been unable to get into this forum for the last two days. Presumably others had the same problem. No empty room, I can assure you. Your work has been vitally important, very much noticed and appreciated.
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I think that is the hardest thing for people to understand - that Chris Butler and the whole "Science of Identity" Bhakti Yoga, Meditation thing that he does, is a business scam and has nothing to do with spirituality. What has become clear through the length of this entire thread is that it all began with one guy dabbling in the 60's/70's spirituality, experimenting with
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Quotedabcult In all due respect TERRENAUT ....you have no idea of who is giving me informations about the cult and its members ....you might be surprise if you kinow I would never ever say that the sexuality of TULSI is this way or that way . I am simply asking questions Nothing wrong about asking questions . Even my lawyer is telling me its quite ok to simply ask questions . Nothin
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Dabcult: I don't think you have enough information to speculate about Tulsi Gabbard's sexuality. Many of the "privileged" devotees move on to other partners or walk away from relationships. It isn't new, it is part of the double standard. The devotees who don't make the cut, however, still have to abide by the rules - get married, have babies for the cult. E
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What will happen when she says "NO" ? Everyone will move on. Nothing will happen. For Chris Butler, this is about power and money. The spirituality is a hook to ensnare the slaves, that is all. As long as the slaves are kept in the shadows of religious beliefs, they can be manipulated and he can enjoy the fruits of their labors. But, the guys at the top of the pyramid know e
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I believe that Rest Easy is fulfilling his/her mission which is to get people involved in another "spiritual" discussion and away from the discussion of Chris butler's criminal activities. Chris Butler is a criminal. He can be charged with tax-evasion, hiring 'illegals', avoiding payroll taxes, avoiding payrolls entirely, and a whole slew of questionable financial de
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"Anyway, you are all demons and I am not." Haha, really I just cracked up when I read the above. You know you are in a cult when.... The thing is, he is a clever bastard, he doesn't call you a demon to your face, until you are so beaten down that you take it (without spitting on him). His meditation center disciples let him know when you are beaten down enough. It is c
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the early followers that are still in the fold are there because their life of exploitation is too hard to give up. I seriously doubt whether the "advanced devotees" believe the "Chris Butler is God" stuff. The lives of 'advanced disciples' is pretty nice. Living in their so-called Meditation Centers, with slave labor for the upkeep and chores, donations coming
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It is not possible. If one partner is in a cult, then the other will be forbidden to express his/her feelings about it. It will have to be faked. "oh, yes, my darling gets up at 4.30am to chant and dance in front of an altar, she preaches to our friends, has a holier-than-everybody attitude, and believes we will get everything we want by wishing really really hard. I just love her so muc
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Why?
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Hey Shanti2 Nice to see you. Yep, I found ol' Jivan's Facebook page a while back. You are right, those guys just love being in the spotlight! Follow the friends lists and you will find the whole stinking crew. I wonder what happened to their "Let's pretend we all live in the old Vedic society"? Looks like the new mandate is: Get lots of slaves, Get lots of Cash, F*ck
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I truthfully cannot imagine people staying around when those things were taking place. I do know a lot of people left. the new people (last ten years) really do not hear of these things. It is pretty well shushed up. We were repeatedly told not to "gossip", and even an innocent question about another devotee would be met with a LOT of disapproval. Of course that didnt really stop th
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Quote: "and who was that fellow who posted the information about Siddha's transcendental skiing holiday, where his servants were not allowed to smile or laugh ~ I still get a kick out of that ~ it's straight out of Monty Python's Life of Brian movie!" I think I missed that one, can you recap for me?
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300 pages! thanks rick ross :)
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Hello KC Welcome Why do you think the Chris Butler cult is still going strong so many years later?
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ad-hominem attacks notwithstanding, your reply lacks the backing of sound research. You, who cannot even bring him/herself to read this entire thread, purport to know the depth of the teaching of CB and co. there are only positives happening in the cult on a beginner level. Sure, it feels good, and might get someone to live a little more cleanly, think a bit more spiritually, whatever, but go
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QuoteindigoarthurThanks Vera City, Terrenaut, Dharmabum, Just-Googling, Malcom, RRModerator, etc. for your time and words. I came here looking to exchange ideas and possibly receive wisdom and this has occurred, and you all contributed to it. For this I am grateful. ...... With an ego like mine, it just might be bad enough to call for strong medicine like these Vaishnavas. This is actually par
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I too, have a gut reaction to being called a DEMON. I really did have to wait to cool down and think rationally before I could answer Indigo, both in PM and here. The devotees, *especially* Chris butler, actually do nothing to improve people's lives, and yet are still registered as a charitable organization. Yeah yeah I know, they think the greatest gift they give is the holy names, but I s
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Hey Vera City I have to thank you for your most enlightening post above. Thank you for taking the time to write all of that. I was formulating some responses myself but really, you said it all. You know, when one looks back to the days of those joyful kirtans, those mellow morning arotiks, the friends and the clear sense of purpose, it can all seem quite attractive. In retrospect, things al
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So, if you ask your Vaishnava mentors why Chris Butler curses and swears and calls people names, what do they say? Do you understand the idea of "krishna will reveal it in your heart" ?? Is that enough of an answer for you? Does that answer make up for the Guru calling people assholes? In many of the threads on this topic you will find stories of abuse, insult, neglect and suicides
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to VoxVeritasVita das: Sorry if I jumped all over your head. I can see how you would be wondering how ordinary people will willingly put up with cruel treatment. VeraCity was most kind to include some links to useful reading, perhaps you can understand that a bit better. It is true that we should question the messenger. You are also correct that Chris Butler is not acting as a loving spiritua
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Well, I think it is a given that those who have gained financially are not victims, they damn well know what kind of lie they are living. I think we can all agree on that, but they are gaining financially off the backs of the little guys, the underlings, the 'students', and it is those to whom I refer when I say 'victim'. I was a bit annoyed that Vox chose to portray those p
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QuoteVoxVeritasVita Das quote: " how other people can allow themselves to get sucked into that reality?"
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Quoteanticult"The documentary also covers the topic of how cult leaders control their followers by controlling their sex lives. This is a big feature in Butler’s cult." Recently a friend who is also mother to a junior disciple and grandmother to two young children relocated and purchased a home very close to her children to keep close watch especially on the young children. She ha
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"Those of a weak spirit succumb to the likes of Chris Butler" Although I totally take exception to that sentence, I do get the concept of people who follow and then become part of an enterprise and it turns into a racket... I see that with the devotees who are close to him. Undoubtedly they started off pretty sincere but once they got into the enterprise, then good old fashione
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Well, it seems to be official: God, Krishna, or any other names of God, have quietly been purged from Science of Identity association. and on another note, Science of Identity has a television station in Wisconsin. Two licenses, one via Healthy's. I wonder what the f**k they are gonna talk about? Even though you'd think I would be used to it, even though I know in m
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oh nice, some new posts on this thread, I should go away more often! So, VeraCity, thanks for your response. In my post I was thinking of the spiritual/religious aspect of the centers and how that has been watered down so much, given the intolerance for Hare Krishnas these days. Of course, as you point out, it is a business first and foremost. Yes, there must be still a loyal core of followers
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I think this cult will collapse in on itself and die. People in North America just are not the same as they were in the 70's. The disaffected youth of the 70's that fueled the rise of the hare krishna movement, are no longer, and the disaffected youth of today, punks, hipsters, gang-bangers, et al, are just not interested. No matter how you dress it up as yoga, or meditation, or relaxa
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