Barbie, I'm sorry that you have to go through all this. Many of the people on this site know first hand what it's like to be the victim of Dave's spin. I think you are doing the right thing by ignoring it as much as you can. There is no "winning" with Dave. He has nothing else to do but argue all day long. He eventually wears people down. Who else can spend so many hour
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I don't keep up with the forums very well anymore, but I feel confident in saying that what is happening here isn't about "hatemongering". I, personally, feel a lot of love for the people in the JC's and I don't want to alienate or hurt them. I think that there are many destructive aspects of the JC's that people need to be made aware of and this is a great pla
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Apostate, As some others have said, you are not talking to yourself. I think your posts are rational, well written and well thought out. KUTGW, Still... Gladitzover
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I did get a nice letter from Dave':)', explaining how reluctant he was to have to do his own dirty work, but that sadly no-one else on the list turned out to be available at the time ...':(' ... due to family commitments, I think he said... 4th in line he was. Fact is, the man is a complete martyr, and quite unappreciated with it, poor chap. Still not quite sure what numb
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Yes, Malcolm and hello. Dave has no conscience when it comes to reinventing history, completely changing people's words or manipulating their meanings. Malcolm, I too hope that the current member's are taking note and that they have not just hardened themselves to the truth. I also believe that this tendency is the reason that there are not more ex-members who speak out against him.
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Quotejason25have'nt heard from gladitzover and xenophone lately, hope they're ok and not intimidated. Thanks for the concern. I'm just very busy. I'm reading the board as time allows.
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QuoteXenophoneQuoteGladitzoverQuoteFrom what I can tell the members of the Jesus Christians seem quite happy where they're at and quite excited about the work they're doing. As a JC member, I only ONCE spoke to another member about how I really felt about the group. I admitted that i sometimes felt like leaving...the other person said that they often did too. It was a rare moment o
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QuoteFrom what I can tell the members of the Jesus Christians seem quite happy where they're at and quite excited about the work they're doing. As a JC member, I only ONCE spoke to another member about how I really felt about the group. I admitted that i sometimes felt like leaving...the other person said that they often did too. It was a rare moment of honesty. The unfortunate thi
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Glenn, Thanks for answering people's questions. There is good and bad in everything. None of us would have joined our groups if there wasn't something good that initially attracted us. There seems to come a point when we have to ask ourselves which is the greater here...the good or the bad. I have read some posts on the JC forum where you have questioned their stance or Dave'
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Moderator, I'm not positive but, I don't think that this is the same "Glen". If I recall correctly the other "Glen" was the JC's friend Jinny the Squinny. Of course, Glenn can answer from him self. :?
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Below is a post from the JC forum from someone named "Steven". I thought it was very interesting. about 5 years ago I was contacted by Dave (and Cherri I beleive) via email, in an unsollicited response to a posting I had made on a secular board about my being a live kidney donor. I am also a practicing Christian, and have occasionaly shared my faith as a foundation to what
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Hi Glenn, Speaking for myself, I am an individual. I am not part of any group now. I'm a Christian and I'm training to be a nurse. My JC experience wasn't all bad. I had many good times with the "rank and file". Dave, though, is very conniving and manipulative. He doesn't care about anything or anyone when they/it do not further his plans. I know that this t
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Apostate wrote: Quote I, unlike "Gladitsover", do not wish to words in your mouth. If you explain, I and others will not misunderstand you. You're right Apostate, I shouldn't put words in people's mouths. I should just ask for clarification. Dogmother wrote: QuoteGladitzover, are you afraid of Dave and what he thinks? Dave works hard enough trying to establ
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Dogmother wrote: QuoteHow about comming up with a summit, a meeting in person, where we all get together and brainstorm on how to get this predator silenced forever. This would be a service to mankind. Dogmother, I think we all understand what you mean about "silencing" Dave, i.e. stopping him from gathering, manipulating and controlling people's lives. Dave, on the other han
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Written by Dave on the JC website: Quote I have noted the irony of critics of the JCs condemning Cherry and me as bad parents at the same time that they condemn Joe and other JCs as bad children. Cherry and I are not PERFECT parents, but I have seen some really shockingingly terrible parents of people who have joined our community over the years. Nevertheless, we have generally tried to teach
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Here are Dave's latest comments on his forum. QUOTE: Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The latest (ironic) news from the Rick Ross forum is that Brian (hardly our best friend over there) is being attacked from several different sides at once for posting Bible verses on the thread
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Jinnythesquinny wouldn't understand how the JCs really operate. She isn't going to see the whole picture if she just hangs out with them occasionally. They are very good at putting the best foot forward in efforts to relate to "potentials". Jinnythesqinny may not think of herself as a "potential" but she better believe the JCs see her as one. They do not waste time h
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QuoteIn fact I think it would be good to let the JC's alone now as far as posting stuff on their forum, because Dave is using it all to solidify in his followers minds that he is being persecuted, causing them to rally around him. Although questions hardly rate as persecution. I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if this supposed "persecution" leads to him coming up with some
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QuoteWhen DM kicked his sons out didn't they have their wives and young children with them too? Yes That shouldn't surprise me. He was heartless enough to have his wife flogged for a publicity stunt.
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QuoteQuoteWe have disagreements, and strong ones at that. But all of our children lived and worked with until they were well into their twenties, when they were quite entitled to go their own way and live the way they want to live. Hardy har har, this is a good one. You make it sound like it was THEIR choice. Another joke. You tossed them all out. One in a developing country and the other
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QuoteQuoterrmoderatorDave: There you go again. Whenever people ask you questions, you then attempt to twist the topic back through some sort of personal attack. It seems that two of your children don't follow you Dave, and apparently have little if anything to do with the group or you, with the exception of one child. Isn't that right or do I have the numbers wrong. That&
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QuoteapostateHow stupid of David McKay to say there is no peer pressure for his group members to donate kidneys when they all have to wear T shirts telling people to donate kidneys. The sheer act of doing that would cause a cognitive dissonance that would need to be reckoned with if the wearer had not already donated their kidney. I am a bit confused. There seems to be a bit of a contradictio
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QuoteQuotematildaQuotecultmalleusYes, I agree that this is the allegation. From what I know and understand of Dave McKay, he is more than a little inclined to sensationalise and exaggerate. I would like to see and hear the evidence from both sides. I read somewhere that Reinhard had his eyes open and could see but that he was unconcious? Is that possible. Yes, I also believe that violen
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That video was very hard to watch. Those young idealistic people having their minds warped by a such a sick guy. He is using them in a terrible way. The whole situation was obviously causing Joe a lot of pain. I know he will feel guilt and shame over his comments to his father. I hope his parents know that he shouldn't be held accountable for those harsh comments. He was probably primed
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I am sure that he is only being quiet here where the moderator is stopping him from attacking and manipulating people. I am sure he is ranting and raving about all of us back at home base. He'll be making sure that all the members think we are evil and beyond redemption.
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To be fair, I should add that there are certain members who make extra effort to encourage and play with the children.
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I wanted to add a few comments concerning children in the group. As Concerned Mother wrote, they do have to take a back seat to practically everything. The group has little to no concern about their education. Parents have to really push to get the time to homeschool them. They like children stop schooling by 14 at the latest. They figure that there is more for children to learn wanderi
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PtolemyGlenn, as the others have mentioned we have a right to speak about our JC experience. I know that I am not wallowing in self pity and it doesn't sound like all the others are either. I think that we have a responsibility to give a more rounded picture of the group. I am trying to just present things as I saw or experienced them. The first to present his case seems right, ti
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QuoteQuotea motherGuys, there is a loving God free from abuse and put-downs, manipulation and control. A loving God who doesn’t need your works to love you. A God that is happy if you walk hand in hand with your children, a God happy for you to have two kidneys and a penis that fires fertile bullets. A loving God who doesn’t need you to whip others for him to believe you love him. Truly. Th
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QuoteQuoteapostateQuotesnuggles Quotethe fact that Berg beat his new recruits with rods. This is interesting. I did not know that. Dave really is just a "wannabe". I read a book written by Berg's daughter called "The Children of God". At times I thought I was reading about DJ. The similarities are amazing. Without, thank God, getting into the sexual promiscuity, D
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