Ok. There is a fair difference in copy and pasting a lot of the scriptures in bold, and just simply sharing your own experience as yourself. You can do this as others and myself have :-) even though it’s not all pro krsna. QuoteIt's implied in the very name of the thread topic that people who are participating here, are interested in Krishna Consciousness. So I am not off-topic at a
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Hi Garuna, Do you believe that these “shadows” are part of Robert or separate from? In reality there is not a shadow side to a person, there is just the one person, who is responsible. You could look at it this way, if for example a person was to turn to another person next to them slapping them pointlessly in the face, would it then be appropriate for the slapping person to turn to thei
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Whirlwind, thank you for your questions.. which I appreciate, however do recall it is up to me to decide where I am on things, and what is read by myself.. what I have read is of course personal and nobody decides for me where I am. It is simply not up to anyone else to control these factors of my being. Listening to the victims is my only purpose here, and sharing my own findings.. you will c
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You are right The Whirlwind, victims know best and I do not know anything what you personally endured. You yourself know nothing of what Truth Wins or any other has endured either. Everyone’s experiences matter, and those those responsible for the abuse - including those who do not act when made aware, are responsible and will always remain so in my view. We defend what we love, but to
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My apologies Truth Wins. I understand that faith is dear in the various ways that we each as individuals experience(d) it, and would like to say that any of my posts here are regarding the manipulation, the control, the misuses <—— misuses of that faith by deceptive persons. Not much in life is without somebody somewhere being deceptive or misusing something, it is just one of those thi
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Here is a quote from a longer read via the following link: It demonstrates well the scale of abuse and how it has been passed down the line straight from the top. It may have already been quoted in one of the other threads. Take care when reading the following quote as there are accounts of abuse that may be upsetting to read, know your limits. QuoteFrom court documents lodged by
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That’s perfectly fine by me The Whirlwind. I understand that you see my points as unqualified, but I’ll reiterate I value what I see in reality as part of the larger picture forming, and always share my part. If others see the same or not means nothing much to me. It makes no difference in my mind. I definitely do not like abusive groups, and am transparent about that. I stand by every
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Noted :-). I used to be a vegetarian, and I used to chant every day. These things used to be a part of my life, and I would not recommend them to anybody. My natural brain chemistry, and hormones, where it is returned to today, I have learned to value it greatly. The Whirlwind, I wish you best in every way. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
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QuoteYou make it all sound so sinister, facet. Merely sharing the experience from this point, it doesn’t sound sinister.. it is sinister. That is the reality. I cannot (and do not) speak for the various global and individual groups - not at all, this is why what you state, along with others, is so good for everyone to see. What is said by me, is my small contribution towards large netwo
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QuoteSo there's nothing much to "recruit" anybody TO. That’s a point, definitely, maybe for some, but it isn’t so across the board. In particular local groupings do use the medium of giving the books and engagement in conversation on the streets as a means to recruit. Why are the pretty books simply not on a drop down menu and pumped out free via the web? If it’s just w
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Sounds progressive, in a sense ! Mantras, japa, chanting, it can only do so much before wearing off. Truth Wins says it has much power, which it does.. George Harrison hits the nail on the head: A power that wears off when breaking the repetitive chain.
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Facet I respect your opinions. > My experiences cannot be explained by physics. > I keep the very intense and supernatural ones to > myself. They are private. > I am not one who lightly believes everything and I > myself always look for things that do not make > sense. > Things that people
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Facet it is not just sexual abuse. > He is like all those other false gurus taking > financial advantage... It’s such a shame. People are like this though, so it’s always best to be strong in self for self, which is always a beacon to others even if it is not obvious that beacon is seen, it is. > I h
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QuoteWe will never truly be able to figure out how this reality functions. Who are the forces behind it... Well, here comes facet with the boring answer. You will find the answers in physics. Before I start, you have the right to your beliefs, we are all different in our views, experiences, etc and this is ok. For me, I have the right to remain skeptical :D. Currently, physics knows
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QuoteI have deeper theories on why we are targeted. I am interested in hearing your theories, please share them if you wish.
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It cannot be underestimated how frightening it is for someone to tell another person about having endured sexual abuse. For some it is deeply buried away because acknowledging it even in the self is too much. It does not matter if it is a person in public power or not, the authority of the abuser has been asserted and is final for many. Often people may come forward once the physical death
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Psychosis is no fun either, I appreciate your comparison and also your earlier analogy to demonstrate how you are feeling. It is like that with manipulators isn’t it? Once or twice, here and there.. something will be correct and fantastic, the large majority of the time everything is incorrect and we strive to gain correctness. That’s a little trick played by someone who knows full well wh
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I understand, though it is a bit like having new pet in the house, some day they want to go out and explore things in the chaos mix, and the chance encounters may not always have best at heart for that pet. That’s why looking after ourselves is so important. It also models to others how to look after themselves, so they may stand a better chance too. Like you say, so they may not fall in the t
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“A “true” Spiritual master is as rare as a Unicorn these days.” Well, if everyone is busy looking for the true spiritual master it won’t ever be found will it? :-D The moment people stop looking is the moment that little drama ends.. but everyone is entitled to seek an adventure so why not? “However he was the embodiment of what a good shepherd should be.” Jesus, in those days he, and
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Essentially, the only person that can provide the level of safety, or protection (probably the better word) needed in dealing with these things is ourselves. It is not just cults, it is also other groups and people. All operating on the same level.. which as you point out, and when stripping away the disguises, is the manipulation and use of other persons for their own needs. Each of us has
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Spot the media manipulation pattern: The theme presented in the first (widely misused amongst the spiritual community) Matrix movie, gave most viewers an instance to question their own realities. Step in David Icke, with his now apparent authority on the subject in order to net anyone and everyone possible through the trend of the film and his accompanying “alternative” view. The book Da
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Posted up on UK Guardian - QuoteThe creator of the rapidly growing ‘Sabmyk Network’ is said to be a Berlin art dealer with a record of media manipulation QuoteMuch of Sabmyk’s content is designed to appeal to QAnon followers; it features Covid mask scepticism, anti-vaccine conspiracies and false assertions that the 2020 US election was stolen from Trump. Some is also designed to activ
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does Yoga Have A Conspiracy Theory Problem? > > That was a really great article, it was amazing to me that in some of the replies to the journalist who wrote it, people were stating that the article was written with “absolutely no evidence”, though there was plenty evidence given throughout it. Kudos t
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robot_dracula Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It’s almost too simple, but the evidence is clear. > My own personal conspiracy theory is that the > internet can make you sick (in the head). Kind of > like how heavy smoking causes some people to get > cancer, it seems like for some people heavy > internet use truly hijacks the brain’s reward
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Popping back with an example here, guru shunyamurti of sat yoga institute addressing an attendee who is clearly distressed (take note to take care before watching, be prepared) and being told that others suffering does not exist (aka, distressed attendee suffering presenting is an illusion, and what she is feeling due to the now lack of boundary is illusion) so not really a problem. Shuny
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I am sorry to hear about your friend, green lion. It’s really difficult to deal with because it’s kind of wild isn’t it. I don’t think that there is any way to “save” him but he really could come out of this in due time. When it has run its course. After which, it would be wonderful if you or / and any other supporting friends and relatives etc could be there despite how wild things got and
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Related: Anthony Citro was a much favoured student of Derek O’niel (and vice versa) in the very early days of “ascension” “2012 awakening” and “light work” belief circles across social media. There are some videos where he explains some of Dereks passed on “healing” modalities to be found on YouTube if you wish to do a search. Anthony Citro was astounded by the popularity of his “Mahatma
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.. there is so much value to quote from the long read link but I’ll limit myself to this last one :D QuoteA game design approach to stopping people from “playing” QAnon might be to start making it boring. But again, I worry about the environmental factors. QAnon has to be less boring that the rest of your life. What if the rest of your life isn’t really that great? What if TV and videogames ar
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I want to clear up the end of my post here because I think it comes across incorrectly. Culture is meant in the sense of cultural marketing - culture is not the problem. It’s the people who come in and exploit it. I cannot string a sentence together some days. My apologies for any offence caused. It was not meant. Here is a link which demonstrates marketing towards cultures, which may be hel
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Considering what billybob has posted with regards to ARG beginnings, here is the original shop front: Magical thinkers are (in my view) an extremely vulnerable section of society. Already primed by spiritual teachers and leaders, and potentially beforehand by the familial upbringing, magical thinkers make ripe pickings for radicalisation. Also vulnerable, those who feel that they are i
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