I think 60 Minutes, or other tv shows like this, should do an Expose' on Madonna and this childrens book, and its affiliation with that phony new-age Kabbalah cult. If you want to, you can contact 60 Minutes by mail, phone, or email at the bottom of the page, and suggest they investigate this matter. Coz
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That website is so manipulative and deceptive. And Madonna is such a hypocrite, its unbelievable. For instance, on the Oprah show, she referred to the kiss between her and the other girls on MTV, and then said several times, "I swear to God, i didn't know it would be such a big deal". That is a blatant lie. She has always done sex-acts as stunts for publicity. And she said s
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Another tactic of Robbins is to use Free Seminar Workers at his events, called "Crews". How it works is that people spend their own money for transport, lodging, etc, and come and WORK at his seminars from morning to late at night, for many days, FOR FREE!!! Can you imagine? Robbins charges a small fortune to attend his seminars, and in a bigger seminar could EASILY be making God k
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Quotecorboy that TR probably uses. There is a first class reseach scientist at University of California San Francisco, who has spent 25 years studying micro-expressions of the human face. His name is Paul Ekman. For years, his research was pretty much ignored, but now he is in heavy demand by intelligence experts and police departments, because Ekman has mapped the human face and can identify
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Madonna was just on Oprah talking about her new SERIES of children's books. A good portion of the interview was her talking about "Kabbalah". She also says ALL the profits from this series of books will go to this "childrens charity", which teaches children these mystical types of principles, in "spiritual classes". (I missed the name of the "charity&q
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Its interesting, for quite a while there have been some posts on the Tony Robbins board, asking questions about Robbins, and his techniques, etc. (I USED to be a "follower" of TR's ideas many years ago, and now am still trying to figure out his techniques). It has been a very interesting, as there were maybe 10 people there who would criticize some things about Robbins, whereas
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On Monday Sept 15, Dr Phil is starting a new season with a series on helping overweight folks lose the fat! What is interesting, is he appears to stick all the people in ONE HOUSE, and i would imagine he will be doing a bunch of "confrontational get real about your fat" stuff. Obviously, this fat thing is a cash cow and money-maker, as everyone wants to lose that fat, BUT, it woul
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I don't know if Dr. Phil did est or not. I think he is using a hodge-podge of things, from Behavior therapy, to Encounter Groups, etc etc etc. He is also obviously a bit of a "jerk" and this may just be to create some Drama for ratings. He is also obviously an Egomaniac, perhaps even a Narcissist. On this page he is listed as "Other Transformational Encounter Groups&
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This Wolfy is a pure Landmark propagandist. He is a WOLF in sheeps clothing, don't be tricked by his little games out of the Landmark book. Perhaps he feels this is a challenge, and practice for him, to come a try to post a bunch of pro-Landmark propaganda, on an anti-cult forum. You can see him start to try and twist reality, and distort what people have said. Its 100% manipulation,
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Here's a simple reframe. Amway = ScAmway The OWNERS at the top get RICH. All the suckers at the bottom are FREE EMPLOYEES, with no benefits, who are also BIG CUSTOMERS of ScAmway. (oh, and people who try to enroll you into ScAmway LIE about how much money they are making, to get you to sign up.) Coz
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Quotewolfy I am not an employee of Landmark. No one has put me up to voicing my views. I'm freely expressing my own opinions - which I make no claim to be the ultimate and final truth - I am just sharing with people what I got out of particpating in Landmark. All the stuff you talk about with regards to Landmark just doesn't occur in my experience of the company or the work. I just
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Quotewolfy I have not made any attempt to convince anyone to do Landmark. All I've done is told people what my experience has been, in the interests of some kind of balance. my experience of Landmark was the complete opposite of what's been described here. For me Landmark has been a valuable tool in helping me take on the kind of life I thought was beyond me - it's not for ev
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Quotewolfy All the arguments I've heard so far are cold, cynical, conspiratorial, full of fear and negativity. Cynicism never helps. It just closes the heart down. There are reds under the bed, black people are coming to get you, the aliens are coming, we need to get armed, the government is out to get us, there's poison in the water... you can believe in whatever weird theory you li
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In my view, when people start talking about Landmark (and other groups like this) in a casual, non-threatening way, it is just another SALES TECHNIQUE. It is just a different tactic to reach out to those that might be undecided. After all, it sounds reasonable, it seems ok, right? And it contains the classic Landmark claim, "look at me, I’m ok, just say no!". What the Pro-Land
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Man, what a breath of fresh air to read your post Ellen, after a bunch of crud i have been reading recently on some other sites, sorta fighting against some Landmark cultist types. Really miserable, hateful people. Made me think. If a person is 100% immersed in an environment full of Cultists, its so exhausting, i bet most people would just "give in", and start to doubt their own th
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Quotepurple Go to the Forum and see for yourself. I recommend it to everyone. This is EXACTLY how Landmark recruits. They encourage "suckers" to go down to the "free meeting", and then the Landmarkians go to work on you, running all of their techniques and patterns. Do NOT go to the Forum. No one needs that nonsense. I prefer to KEEP my "critical thinking f
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QuoteJVSnoodle Actually, TR no longer associates with Robert Young. He has his own line of products now. Well ok, fine. He's always "changing" business partners, i can't keep up! In Get The Edge, TR goes on and on about this "Dr. Young" guy, and how he has this "special product", and what a big genius he is. It only took me a few minutes to realize the
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Corboy, you are right on the MONEY! First, Tony Robbins was one of the first people to take NLP and SELL it! He studied under Bandler and Grinder the founders of NLP, and then and went and SOLD it, and used it in the Marketplace to make a bunch of CASH! I think he was actually the guy who STARTED all this NLP for the masses stuff! Richard Bandler told me he still gets royalty checks from Robbins
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I just looked at Tony Robbins former health partner "Dr. Young's" website more carefully, and who in the heck is this guy? He is not an MD. What is his PhD in? He thinks he is founding a New Biology? A new biology? Whats wrong with the old one? :) My not so humble opinion? This is some very acidic BS! Snakeoil. Coz -------------------(my thoughts are in brackets)-------
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QuoteAng2BRD Many people believe Tony Robbins' wacky nutritional advice because he has a physician backing him up. Physicians do know a lot about a lot, but most of them do not take ONE nutrition class to become a medical doctor. They have MD behind their name so they should know everything, right? Any diet that talks about having to control your own pH is rubbish. Most people'
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QuoteJVSnoodle And you're right about the money aspect of it, it is pretty expensive and I wouldn't do Platinum Partnership or spend my life savings to do this stuff, and the sales pushes are quite, well, for lack of a better word, pushy. and having met the guy I do find him to be sincere. Now I know this could all be a massive conspiracy to brainwash me and make me be his devoted fol
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QuoteJVSnoodle The food stuff isn't mind control, it's just basic health stuff. Have you done any of it? My friend, unfortunately for me, I have done it all. Robbins OLD food "idea", was the "Fit For Life" idea, which was “food combining”, and only eating fruit before noon, no dairy, etc etc. I did that years ago, as when I was younger I was as credulous as th
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I would expect that any type of Cultish Group would send their best recruiters after anyone who is even a little bit famous, as this type of Social Proof of having a celebrity in your group will bring in a lot of other members. A relative of mine wanted to be an actress, and she said she was thinking of joining Scientology, as she hoped she could meet some Show-biz people in Scientology! This
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QuoteJVSnoodle Some of what you're saying is pretty valid, like the pushy sales techniques and the marketing of the products and all that... but from my experience TR seminars don't have people submitting to mind control, behavior control, food control, etc. I didn't feel controlled by any of it. hi there Snoodle, hey, its just my opinion, and like i said, many people say they &
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QuoteJVSnoodle Do you known where I can find the post on the TR message board about the person who went manic after a TR seminar? I searched with mania and manic and neither worked. Thanks! You'll find it in, Results Coaching (thread called) Too much $$$$ Post by, markm, title, Fine With Me, (page 4)
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Quotecorboy these tend to be profit driven (despite the claim that the real mission is to 'help people.') That means LGATS are at fault because they do not pre-screen prospective participants to ensure that they are able to handle the pressures of the training and have support at home and healthy boundaries. If you wanna make big bucks, you want to increase the number of people takin
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QuoteAng2BRD Luckily, my sister doesn't subscribe to Tony Robbins' seminars or products anymore. I've always had a problem with people that give advice about life on one hand and then sell a product that goes with that advice. As a registered dietitian, if I were to counsel someone in my private practice and then turn around and sell them nutritional products I would have
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Hi guys: I made a post in this thread... Psychosis after a Tony Robbins Seminar?? about how, in my view, a bunch of Landmark Lackeys have sortof highjacked the Tony Robbins webboard, and use it to very subtly (and not so subtly) promote the dreaded Landmark. Maybe i should have posted that post in this thread, but regardless, please have a read, and let me know your opinions on this type
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Also, I happen to know a lot about Tony Robbins, so if you have any questions, please ask. As far as "inducing psychosis", I don't know if it is being "caused" by his methods, BUT, the type of environment could perhaps "trigger" that in people with a vulnerability. (please try to get her to go see a GOOD psychiatrist, and tell him what happened to see if she
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Hi freethinkers: Hey listen, recently i went to the "Tony Robbins" web community, and was looking around there. And i saw a BUNCH of posts from folks mentioning LANDMARK. So i looked them up in Rick Ross's site, and of course Landmark is pretty nasty! So, just to expose them, i started pointing all this out, and they went crazy of course, attacking, shaming, denying
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