RandomStu: You seem to be doing a bit of victim bashing here. Why attempt to blame those hurt by enlightenment salespeople, rather than discussing the apparent "scam" such salespeople may be running? What about the responsibility that teachers have regarding their students? Don't they have any responsibility? When teachers hurt people they may be subject to legal con
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

See This explains the sponsor of the message board. This board is affiliated with the Ross Institute of New Jersey, culteducation.com, cultnews.com, cultnews.net and culteducation.com. There are no other associations with another Web site. You said, QuoteHaving read the stories, it is obvious that the website is just another forum to bash Alex and Sharon and that whatever story I wr
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Moishe3rd: Seems like you got off easy. Others did not. See Sharon Gans and Alex Horn did hurt people and "victim bashing" isn't really a meaningful response to that reality.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

pragmatist: You and Landmark Education are no substitute for professional and credible help. Please spare us the Landmark verbiage, e.g. "authentic," "inauthentic," "responsibility" etc. You sound like a seminar tape and the seminars you are reciting have no success that can be measured objectively. A credible source for help regarding personal relations
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Otter: You are falling into the very typical pattern of "mass marathon training" supporters, which is a seeming inability to find anything wrong with the program and instead blame anyone hurt by such programs for their own injuries. This commonly called "victim bashing." See This is research done by a clinical psychologist about training like Impact, Lifespring, L
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lotusfire: Jeff Bowe doesn't run this thread and everyone is free to express what they feel and think, excluding personal attacks and victim bashing. If there is a need, another thread could be started at any time regarding some more specific category/focus of concern. Many groups discussed at this form have more than one thread.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

fireopal: Your observations reveal disturbing elements within MKP. Quotethe ritualistic elements found in the MKP act as a type of hypnotic induction, designed to disinhibit the participants. Quotethe processes of the MKP seem to be derived from Jungian psychology Quotethese encounters are designed to get the participants to release emotions that are bothering them on some level, Ho
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

AJG seems to be an "Internet troll" here to disrupt and/or subvert the thread. Victim bashing mainly, with nothing meaningful to contribute.
Forum: Destructive Churches

MKP Warrior: I don't know if blaming individuals and ignoring the inherent problems with the way MKP is run is a meaningful response. Anyone interested in what's wrong with MKP can go to the beginning of this thread to see how manipulative and coercive it seems to be. Note the manual excerpts and analysis that follows them. Many of your comments come across as little more th
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

sonsio: Sorry, but you do seem to be here as an apologist, as you are essentially ignoring the actual issues raised on this thread. Go to the beginning of this thread and read the quoted excerpts from the MKP manual about how leaders manipulate participants. See Compare these excerpts to the techniques cited of coercive persuasion and also the inherent problems that have caused compl
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

toneatronic: Your post is so typical. Rather than accepting responsibility with integrity for the things that Landmark does wrong and the bad results participants often get, you engage in "victim bashing." When is Landmark ever wrong? When are its courses ever responsible for harm? See Landmark Education has a history of bad press, bad results, complaints, personal injur
Forum: Celebrities associated with "cult-like" groups

Dalmatian you seem to be in deep denial. Victim bashing isn't a meaningful response to what has been posted here. The excerpted passages from the MKP manual is not very flatteering to the organization and frankly, makes it look pretty bad.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

mldf: Are you here to defend groups called "cults"? Seems like you might be an Internet troll. See Or are you just here to do a little victim bashing? See Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. No meaningful financial disclosure reg
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Quotemore objective thoughts like ours...the more limited and rigid the thinking is, the less credibility this forum will gain. In the first place, this is the very mindset we who left the cult resented in the first place. At least with Chris, he spelled right out that he was the boss and nobody can disagree with him. Apparently when people disagree with you this means they are not "objec
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

"critical thinker": Interesting background, once again proof that some well-educated and intelligent folks get involved in groups called "cults" and/or "cult-like" in their methodology and manipulations. Your points have already been responded to repeatedly. You may believe that you have "established" something and if that makes you feel better, fine.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Bonnie The topic of advertising, corp. branding and persuasion techniques does fit under this general heaing within the message board. The heading over this thread is under is "Coericive persuastion and Undue Influence." Let's not do any victim bashing. It's bad enough dealing with cults without blaming their victims and/or demeaning them. I have not met any cult m
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence

This seems to be the standard response when a multi level marketing scheme (MLM) fails. That is, blame the victims. But victim bashing isn't a meaningful response. There are so many victims of this type of business scheme many websites are devoted to the subject. See the following: To better understand why so many MLMs fail see the following: And here is a
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes

Socrates: Despite your supposed "firewall," you and/or anyone else can potentially be "brainwashed." And you are not immune or unsususceptible to the coercive persuasion techniques described. Frankly it seems like your intention at this message board is to pontificate and promote pet theories. That is not the purpose of this board. The hard research that disproves
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Socrates: No one said you have to leave. But if you would rather leave than post within the guidelines of this board, that's certainly your choice to make. Actually what you have said that is relevant to LGATs has already been covered within the writings of Margaret Singer, Robert Jay Lifton, Robert Cialdini and Richard Ofshe. See the following links: These aut
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Socrates: I am not personally, but instead professionally concerned about Landmark and other LGATs. The Ross Institute (RI) database has thousands of documents about hundreds of groups, movements and leaders. Landmark is actually only one relatively small subsection, though the group does generate substantial complaints. The concern of this website is education (i.e. RI is an educatio
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Prasadam Das: It is interesting that suddenly there is an interest expressed by ISKCON devotees concerning this message board. Please understand that the purpose of this board is not really to help "people learn more about alternative forms of spirituality." In fact the rules prohibit proselytizing. The purpose of the board is to discuss controversial groups and movements,
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups