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1 year ago
grok
Books, articles, podcast, and shows that were recommended to me to help me understand the processes cults like Clairvision take you through to hook you, as well as stuff that just plain felt like Clairvision style of "spirituality": Books: Take Back Your Life - by Janja Lalich also lots more info on her website: janjalalich.com The BITE Model Of Authoritarian Control: Undue Inf
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
2 years ago
orangegrl
I came across a post by corboy in another thread that is very relevant to this discussion about Clairvision. I'm posting the bit that is most relevant here, but if you want to read the whole thread, it is here: I wish I had known more about abuse in psychotherapy circles and much of the information in this article before I got involved with Clairvision - these are the kind of things they
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
10 years ago
corboy
"When therapists limit their relationship with the client strictly to psychotherapy, much harm is avoided, and the idealization and dependency can then be worked through and resolved rather than lived out in the relationship." Quoted from article below Excerpts from this article is an electronic version of an article originally published in Cultic Studies Journal, 1986, Volume 3,
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
12 years ago
corboy
Am sorry you had to go thorugh this. But you are not alone. Here is one article to start with Many years ago, Temerlin published some journal articles on features of psychotherapy cults. He and his co authors went undercover to observer various groups. This article, published by Temerlin in 1982 is one of the earliest articles on psychotherapy cults and remains one of the best. It i
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
12 years ago
corboy
In an article by Temerlin on boundary problems in psychotherapy cults, he found in interviews that very often there was no clear cut "clean" fee-for-service arrangement. Money is like a radio active tracer than can be used to trace whether boundaries are being maintained or compromised in what are supposed to be fee for service fiduciary relationships. Examples of breakdowns in th
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
corboy
Power Games: Influence, Persuasion and Indoctrination in Psychotherapy Training Edited by Richard Raubolt New York, NY: Other Press, 2006. ISBN-10: 1-59051-173-5; ISBN-13: 978-1590511732 (paperback), $32.00. 320 pages Reviewed by Steve K. D. Eichel, Ph.D., ABPP (excerpt) QuoteRichard Raubolt’s chapter 9 on “coerced discipleship” is entirely unlike Lariviere’s contribution.
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
13 years ago
corboy
This might be the article. QuoteThis article is an electronic version of an article originally published in Cultic Studies Journal, 1986, Volume 3, Number 2, pages 234-242 . Please keep in mind that the pagination of this electronic reprint differs from that of the bound volume. This fact could affect how you enter bibliographic information in papers that you may write. Some Hazards o
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
13 years ago
corboy
Here are some old threads with some material that you may find illuminating. An earlier article on Pathwork that was on this message board Note: if a therapist has no credentials, there's no place where someone can go for arbitration if something goes wrong. Reading Material on Psychotherapy Issues Fiduciary Issues Confidentiality Therapist Anonymity
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
rrmoderator
Prince: Whatever problems the Roman Catholic Church has, this would not somehow obviate problems within another group. Another interesting study was written by sociologist Richard Ofshe. He explains how groups (e.g. LGATs) can manipulate participants through what he calls "coercive persuasion." See Encyclopedia of Sociology Volume 1, Macmillan Publishing Company, New Yor
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
rrmoderator
Here is an excellent article that explains "thought reform" or coercive persuasion used by cults in some detail. It was written by Richard Ofshe, a professor of Sociology at Stanford University. By recognizing this process it is possible to sort through what is brought about by coercion and what is not. See Coercive Persuasion and Attitude Change Encyclopedia of Sociology V
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
16 years ago
corboy
Gaslighting I am in the process of reading a book by psychoanalyst Theo L Dorpat entitled 'Gaslighting, The Double Whammy, Interrogation, and Other Methods of Covert Control in Psychotherapy and Analysis'. (1996) Dr. Dorpat has a chapter where he in which he these forms of therapeutic failure with cult dynamics--and makes use of findings by Margaret Singer, Cialdini and Temerlin.
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
16 years ago
corboy
Regarding presuppositions: This is from an article posted yesterday on the trolls/apologists thread. But it seems potentially edifying to post it here. Gaslighting I am in the process of reading a book by psychoanalyst Theo L Dorpat entitled 'Gaslighting, The Double Whammy, Interrogation, and Other Methods of Covert Control in Psychotherapy and Analysis'. (1996) Dr. Dorpat
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
corboy
Gaslighting I am in the process of reading a book by psychoanalyst Theo L Dorpat entitled 'Gaslighting, The Double Whammy, Interrogation, and Other Methods of Covert Control in Psychotherapy and Analysis'. (1996) Dr. Dorpat has a chapter where he in which he these forms of therapeutic failure with cult dynamics--and makes use of findings by Margaret Singer, Cialdini and Temerlin.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
vlinden
PART TWO: Encyclopedia of Sociology VOLUME 1 Edgar F. Borgatta Editor-in-Chief University of Washington, Seattle Marie L. Borgatta Managing Editor University, of Washington, Seattle MACMILLAN PUBLISHING COMPANY New York MAXWELL MACMILLAN CANADA Toronto MAXWELL MACMILLAN INTERNATIONAL New York . Oxford Singapore Sydney Coercive Persuasion and Attitude Change Part
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
corboy
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Dear Jupiter, based on what you have described, it is possible that the type of therapy that would help most would be from someone who has actual training on cult-exit issues, or possibly, someone who has been trained in assisting persons from highly dysfunctional families. Given what you have been through, you should check any one you are thinking of working with to ensure they hav
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
17 years ago
media b
Iatrogenic symptoms associated with a therapy cult: examination of an extinct "new psychotherapy" with respect to psychiatric deterioration and "brainwashing". • Hochman J. In 1982, the first and only discussion of psychotherapy cults appeared in the literature. Temerlin and Temerlin (1982) studied five "bizarre" groups which were formed when five practitioners of
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
17 years ago
corboy
A Library of URL links Problems and Pitfalls for Small Groups
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
18 years ago
corboy
Gestalt groups can be very helpful, but it depends on the person leading the group. Even when a group is based on an excellent methodology, it may becomem dysfunctional if the leader starts to isolate from other professionals, neglects continuing education, and only socializes with admirers. This material may help: and
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
19 years ago
corboy
additional material on psychotherapy issues here:
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
19 years ago
corboy
Some groups may take on characteristics of psychotherapy cults. A leader may be charismatic, even helpful in some important ways, but not have formal training as a psychotherapist--or the person may once have received formal training, taken and passed coursework on ethics and boundary issues, yet be unable to apply such knowledge to running his or her groups. If teacher and students are trapp
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
19 years ago
corboy
here on this thread. If anyone has found additional books or articles that have been helpful, please list them. Thats how the message board grows!
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
19 years ago
corboy
Some excerpts from Psychotherapy Cults: An Ethical Analysis Kim Boland,Lewis & Clark College, Portland, Oregon Gordon Lindbloom, Ph.D. Lewis & Clark College Portland, Oregon 'The essential characteristics of these groups were described variously. Appel wrote that “therapeutic cults frame the salvation they offer in psychological terms, as personal l
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
19 years ago
corboy
The article by Temerlin and Temerlin on psychotherapy cults as iatrogenic (that is, healer induced) perversion mentions that these relationships are often quite long lived. The Temerlins note that often the counselee/disciples are pulled in to rescuing and parenting their guru-therapist --the therapist comes across as simultaneously powerful, yet vulnerable. Many of us as children found ours
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
19 years ago
corboy
Groups of the kind you are describing can be quite durable. Some can go on for decades. The key is for the leader to be prudent, avoid nasty publicity and do very selective recruitment among persons who are affluent and discreet--and who dont concern themselves with boundary ethics to the degree that they should. In such cases, a charismatic leader who often keeps a low profile, and is surrou
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
19 years ago
corboy
We have found and posted two articles from the psychological/psychiatric literature on the dynamics of psychotherapy cults. Persons who wish to evaluate the health of their Fourth Way group, or who want to keep their group in a good place may find the articles a helpful resource. The articles can also be accessed, respectively, at [66.102.7.104]
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
19 years ago
corboy
We have found and posted two articles from the psychological/psychiatric literature on the dynamics of psychotherapy cults. Persons who wish to evaluate the health of their groups, (whether Fourth Way or some other tradition) or who want to keep their group in a good place may find the articles a helpful resource. (Note, some links had to be cut in half to keep the page readable and within ma
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
19 years ago
corboy
This article is an electronic version of an article originally published in Cultic Studies Journal, 1986, Volume 3, Number 2, pages 234-242 . Please keep in mind that the pagination of this electronic reprint differs from that of the bound volume. This fact could affect how you enter bibliographic information in papers that you may write. Some Hazards of the Therapeutic Relationship* Ja
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
19 years ago
corboy
[66.102.7.104] misc/Factnet/BOLAND92.CSJ+hazards+temerlin&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 (*Note--copy and past the URL to your browser. We had to prune the active URL to shrink the margins of the posts so that the posts could easily be read within the format of the program--moderator) Psychotherapy Cults: An Ethical Analysis Kim Boland,Lewis & Clark College, Portland, Or
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
19 years ago
corboy
its a classic--you can use it to excuse anything. If you want to understand how charismatic leaders 'tick' get and read 'Prophetic Charisma' by Len Oakes. He studied 20 charismatic cult leaders, after having spent time as a disciple of one. Oakes described how one of these leaders handled a health department inspector--he dazzled the guy with BS, knocked him off balan
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
20 years ago
corboy
Fourth Way groups require careful evaluation by students, both those already in a group and those interested in looking for a group. More modern groups may utilize material from psychotherapy, may have psychotherapists (licensed and unlicensed) as leaders, members, or both. If any group becomes socially isolated and uses powerful methods of inner work and self disclosure, it may despite co
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
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