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9 years ago
The Anticult
Below are some real reviews of this book, from people who happen to be bird lovers who bought the book. The thing the average person doesn't understand, is that Ching Hai is not "crazy". Doing weird things like putting birds in fur coats, and having them talk gibberish, is believe it or, a technique that can be used. Its actually a very sophisticated subject, and clearly Ms Chi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
The Anticult
Its very interesting, the analysis of Dave Lakhani. His name came up in the context of other sleazy covert persuaders like Alex Benzer (Ali Binazir) and James Arthur Ray, and Michael Beckwith from The Secret. Dave Lakhani was basically chosen at random to analyze. He tries to make you believe he is teaching people about cults, covert persuasion, and how to protect themselves from getting exp
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10 years ago
The Anticult
The keywords used on that website www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html give a picture of the sadistic and even psychopathic mentality of their target market. Take a moment to read through some of the phrases and keywords, for some insight into the sick and dangerous mentality of those who actively seek out this material, and who their targets will be. www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate
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10 years ago
The Anticult
There is too much to follow up all together... Just to follow up about the alleged NLP here. This is not going away. to quote Richard Bandler...the NLP claims being made are going to be researched RIGHT DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM. You see, one has to cut right down to the roots of a problem...so to speak. The comments made by Dave Lakhani about "NLP" are actually highly dec
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10 years ago
The Anticult
There is a interesting post by someone with the username "Antara" on the Janaki blog, who claims there were there the day after the alleged cockroach hypnotized Byron Katie. Absolutely fascinating. Antara says that over a period of 2 years, that Byron Katie found the "language" for what happened, by doing all of the self-helpy seminars, 12 steps, and other material that
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
The Anticult
Yes, that was modeling the NLP manipulative persuasion patterns copied from the written text of Alex Benzer. Of course we all agree that evidence is required. Michael Beckwith gives zero evidence for any of his extreme claims, like healing disease with his techniques. Its up to Beckwith and Benzer to provide the evidence, as they are the ones who are making the claims and the money. Those wh
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
The Anticult
In this thread, so far, no one is talking about "cults" per se, they are talking about the scam of New Thought, and the scam of The Secret, and these New Religious Movements which is what Michael Beckwith is selling. Beckwith is promoting a very extreme form of New Thought that is very dangerous and damaging. Michael Beckwith appeared on Oprah and The Secret with James Arthur Ray.
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10 years ago
The Anticult
@ buffman, Good point about getting people to "laugh" to replace the feeling of being "manipulated". That is deliberate. Owen Fitzpatrick actually admits to modeling many professional comedians to hone that skill. The advanced persuaders all model/copy the best entertainers and comedians, they use it as part of their charisma mask. Its really beyond dangerous what they are
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10 years ago
The Anticult
That book Conversations with Richard Bandler linked below, is something else. Please do NOT buy it, maybe your library has it, but be very careful. The book is written by Owen Fitzpatrick, who is someone who is extremely skilled in these advanced techniques of persuasion, and has a ton of programs for sale. James Arthur Ray does some of these techniques, but in a pretty crude way. Byron Kat
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
The Anticult
Stever Robbins highly recommends Michael Neill who wrote a book, FEEL HAPPY NOW! and who is another NLP supersalesman and seminar guru, who is linked with Steve Hardison. ____________________________ blog.steverrobbins.com] May 26, 2009 at 2:01 pm "I just got off the phone with my ex-coach and good friend Michael Neill. He’s just published his fourth book and is ramping up to doing a
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11 years ago
The Anticult
here are some hypnosis scripts, related to Stever Robbins, anyone can find in seconds. So you see how these guys do it, all of these weasel words to play with your perceptions of reality. This is amateur hypnosis? What a joke, maybe he really is into comedy, or perhaps FARCE? These are some of the most advanced hypnotic techniques that can be used, and this is from 15 years ago. Byron Ka
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
The Anticult
yeah, that sure does sound like Steve Salerno. Maybe he will do a blog post someday about the possibilty that possible targets of his critical analysis or their colleagues, may be trying to "curry favor" and become his online "friend", as a way to shape his perceptions on various issues. And also try to steal his thunder, by associating themselves with him and his blog, to
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11 years ago
The Anticult
Byron Katie's good friend Stever Robbins is an extremely complicated and sophisticated persuader, and would have to be disassembled piece by piece. He is all over the place. For people who have been familiar with the advanced NLP world for many years, this guy sets every alarm bell ringing at once, and not in a good way. The most healthy response when you see someone running these kinds
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11 years ago
The Anticult
Quotesolea13Byron Katie quoted by helpme - "A week or so later, as I lay on the floor of my attic room (I felt too unworthy to sleep in a bed)" Really? Byron Katie was so clinically depressed that she felt unworthy to sleep in a bed? And that long-seated, deeply felt emotion of self-disgust completely changed in an instant as soon as the cockroach crawled over her foot? Now she fe
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
The Anticult
This post by jgf75 needs to be looked at a bit closer, its very revealing. That jgf75 post was addressed here previously, and it is full of errors, with false information about hypnotherapy, and actually serves to expose an agenda. The first question is, who might jgf75 be? Its clearly someone who is doing some spin-doctoring for Byron Katie, as instead of dealing with the careful
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11 years ago
The Anticult
Beware the internet sock puppets...when the fire gets too close to home, and their constructed Stories... ;-) over on the Guruphiliac forum, jgf75 is making some interesting comments. jgf75 again wants to continue to create smoke and distraction, by saying that the posters moderate this forum? Are you kidding? People post anything they want, moderation is up to the moderator, not the pos
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11 years ago
The Anticult
Jay... I think a more detailed critical analysis of Erickson, would be better in another thread? I don't want to go off-topic of Byron Katie. After all, BK at most does only a tiny part of methods taken from that area, and warps and perverts them. I think just focussing on the BK part is more appropriate for the thread. It seems BK took some elements that sprung from him, 2nd or 3rd g
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
The Anticult
One thing to keep in mind about this Ericksonian hypnotherapy stuff, is that a "story" about hypnotherapy, even coming from Erickson, is a "Teaching Tale", not a fact. So there may have been a golfer, there may not even have been a golfer. Sometimes a story like that is used as an indirect trance induction story... as in telling a client that golfer story, and the real mes
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
The Anticult
Here is a multimodal Ericksonian Story, Teaching Tale, induction, etc..It could be studied in great detail. The story, is not just a story. If anything, its closer to something like a fairy tale, but with current characters, for the time it was written. The story was told to others, for the impact it has, within a larger symbolic communication. For example, the CACTI was a symbol he used in man
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11 years ago
The Anticult
PROLONGED EYE-GAZING TECHNIQUE another very self-conscious technique that Byron Katie uses, is the prolonged Eye-Gazing technique. There are many examples of her using that technique, seen in the conversion story by Carol Skolnick, blogs about the Byron Katie Eyes by the disgraced Neale Donald Walsch, advertising blogs by Stephen Mitchell and the initial induction by Byron Katie described i
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11 years ago
The Anticult
The connection of Byron Katie with covert NLP style Ericksonian hypnotherapy, (as done by her close associate Stever Robbins) has been mentioned a number of times. But its important to remember that BK does much more than these methods, and she has customized them in her own way. A guess might be that at most 30% of what she does is along these lines, with most of the other stuff ranging from soc
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11 years ago
The Anticult
Hi Christa, The point you make is very important. "It's a shrewd, subtle bit of marketing that points to a great deal of ego inflation and a propensity for risk-taking". B-i-n-g-o and Bingo was his name-o. Its no accident that they made it sound like Byron Katie appeared at Harvard, that is the type of tricky advertising they do all the time. BK always tries to make it
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11 years ago
The Anticult
No wonder they suppressed the book, A Cry In The Desert. It tells a different Story. For example, on page 26 of the book, the writer states that Byron Katie learned meditation from the therapists at the halfway house. That is a new one. Which therapists taught Byron Katie how to meditate? The book mentions that her husband Paul and daughter Roxann were there, so maybe they will know? But
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
The Anticult
as far as hypnosis, it can all get very complicated, but in the end, hypnosis is simply "inward focussed attention". So any type of storytelling/myth is a form of hypnosis. All of the old-style hand waving, swinging watches, and the rest of it, is all superstition, and is not needed. What is needed is LANGUAGE and IMAGES. So that is literally all Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle do t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
The Anticult
Haven't listened to the interview yet, will do so later. But its very interesting that Byron Katie says The Work "alleviates depression, decreases stress". That is due to this thread on the Rick Ross Forum. Byron Katie (the Work) Complaints, California Board of Psychology, FTC (as of March 03, 2008, they have reposted and CHANGED at least 6 CLAIMS) Before this thre
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12 years ago
The Anticult
Holy mackerel, that is a Byron Katie variation on the Milton Erickson Handshake Induction!! (which was made popular in NLP). aka: the Hypnotic Handshake, Ericksonian Handshake, and NLP Pattern Interrupt, etc. Lots of information out there. That is a way to do instant hypnosis on someone, and then implant suggestions into their minds rapidly. There are a lot of (profoundly unethical) connect
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
The Anticult
Going through the book version of "A Thousand Names for Joy" by Byron Katie and Stephen Mitchell. The very last page of the book is full of embedded linguistic unconscious and conscious COMMANDS, which look like a normal text. But they are written as strong commands to the Unconscious, they are literally post-hypnotic suggestions, and they outline the basic PROCESS of Grooming Katie
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
The Anticult
whenever you hear someone like Katie constantly telling little weird "Stories", that is generally this brand of hypnotic symbolic persuasion. For those who have been exposed to the technical literature, it just LEAPS out instantly. Its totally blatant. No different than for someone who knows a little about music, Mozart and Bach can be distinguished in a few seconds, but for a non-m
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12 years ago
The Anticult
Here is a educational excerpt for analysis, of the text about the "Washing Machine" from the book "A Thousand Names For Joy" by Byron Katie. At the end of CD#3, 3 hours into the program, 3 minutes from the end, Byron Katie tells a long story-induction about a "washing machine" and her "doing the laundry" while in Amsterdam, Netherlands. The elegance of t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
The Anticult
· Here are some rough notes about the Byron Katie 5 CD set “A Thousand Names For Joy”. Its important to begin the process of analysis, which is ongoing. · This is not just a typical CD of strange stories and comments by some lady who sounds kinda “weird”. Not even close. This is some very dangerous material, for certain people with certain vulnerabilities. Some people would just switch it o
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