check this one out. As shown above, Stever Robbins appears to have made over 100 comments at the Steve Salerno SHAMblog. (search google for) site:shambook.blogspot.com "stever robbins" The SHAMblog made some initial critical comments about Byron Katie about a future article, but it appears perhaps Steve Salerno is saving that for a feature article, or book to be published? Its not
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yikes, Stever Robbins appears to have made 123 postings on the SHAMblog. What is going on there? search for "Stever Robbins" or search google for this. site:shambook.blogspot.com "stever robbins"
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There are also links and posts by Stever Robbins on Steven Sashen's blog...of course. All in the family. These guys like to try to associate themselves with SHAM by Steve Salerno, as it makes them seem like critical thinkers. Carol Skolnick tried it too. And speaking of sneaky, the sneaky text from a website that was mentioned here has now been removed. Subtle. (website embedded ke
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the thing with these old-school NLPers...its all very subtle and tricky. Things are never what they appear at face value. There is no way in hell that Stever Robbins would be a true "follower" of someone like BK. He knows what she does, the NLPers make a ton of money training people in those exact methods. He's probably just an admirer of her skills, and perhaps was hired by he
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This BK question of the month, show's Byron Katie intelligence and skill in these methods. It is classic. Quote: "It is not possible that every man, woman, and child in the world does not love me and care about me with all their heart. How is it that I am so sure of this?" First off, she uses Questions, and those are permissive and leading. Notice she has 2 negatives in th
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This is about the posts being made by jgf75 on the guruphiliac forum. jgf75 is just playing word-games with the Ericksonian Hypnotherapy ideas. jgf75 says he is calling these people involved and ASKING them what they are doing! LOL! please, call Stephen Mitchell, Stever Robbins, and Byron Katie and ask them "what they are doing". Man oh man. People try to act so innocent about p
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One thing to keep in mind about this Ericksonian hypnotherapy stuff, is that a "story" about hypnotherapy, even coming from Erickson, is a "Teaching Tale", not a fact. So there may have been a golfer, there may not even have been a golfer. Sometimes a story like that is used as an indirect trance induction story... as in telling a client that golfer story, and the real mes
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There are lots of links between Byron Katie and Stever Robbins, interviews, reviews, blog-posts, than can be found with a search. Below is one of the Stever Robbins pages, with links to all of the NLP, Gregory Bateson anthropologist; and Milton Erickson hypnotist info. Stever Robbins has been around NLP since 1978, and is a NLP Master Trainer, and NLP Master Practitioner. He's connect
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In terms of covert conversational hypnosis and persuasion, not one word has been exaggerated. If anything, it has been conservatively presented. Those who try and tap dance around it, when they have the training and knowledge, are liars, or perhaps the better word is propagandists, as they know what they are saying is false. The reason most people don't write about it, is that they have
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ok, Game-Over, Checkmate. (more links to come) Those who have read this thread, will notice that it clearly shows that part of what Byron Katie is doing is an abusive form of Ericksonian hypnotherapy. That is, Erickonian conversational hypnosis, coming from Dr. Milton Erickson. Also, there are many links and connections with NLP and its techniques. The founders of NLP, Richard Bande
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The connection of Byron Katie with covert NLP style Ericksonian hypnotherapy, (as done by her close associate Stever Robbins) has been mentioned a number of times. But its important to remember that BK does much more than these methods, and she has customized them in her own way. A guess might be that at most 30% of what she does is along these lines, with most of the other stuff ranging from soc
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Bluesky: You have mentioned a lot of things, here is a quick response. You probably have not read the entire thread, as its so long. But I have written out specific self-imaging techniques that can help and empower people to not allow people like Katie to influence them so much. But one can't just only look at the blue sky, one has to look at the shit too, so you don't step in it.
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I also do think Carol Skolnick is totally sincere in her propagation of Byron Katie. But I looked at quite a bit of Carol's writing in the past, and I found it to be highly deliberately constructed. My guess was that she also picked up a lot of persuasion techniques previously from her deep involvement with Siddha-Yoga. I see Skolnick as being a public softener of what Byron Katie does,
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On page 88-90 of the book, "Change Your Life in Seven Days" by Paul McKenna, he gives a salespitch of the 4 Questions by Byron Katie, and lists them, so the NLP hypnotists are in close business relationships with Byron Katie, like Stever Robbins, and others. All the hypnotists can see that Byron Katie is an expert at covert waking hypnosis.
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by the way, the Stever Robbins connection to Byron Katie cannot be overstated. Anyone trained in NLP instantly sees what Byron Katie is doing on a metalevel to people, with language and images and stories. (its NOT about the BK worksheets, which are really just a distraction, that is lesson one. She just put that stuff in there to occupy people's conscious minds, that is a very common te
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Some interesting points coming out from our new surprise guest CultCity. - doing The Work worksheets, does lead to the 9 Day programs, that is how it is set up. They suck people deeper and deeper into it. The self-blame created by The Work magnifies depression, that is very clear. Its a bottomless pit. The idea that The Work is free, is false. That has been shown in great detail. Just because
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My 2 cents on this, is I don't see any major evidence that victims of various cults and LGAT's, on this forum at least, are merely pointing the finger at gurus, and avoiding personal responsibility. If anything, it seems to me too many people over-guilt themselves for getting conned initially, when they had not yet learned how it all worked. For example, personally, I have always
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The Byron Katie folks seem to always take a similar tact. They always ignore the fact that Byron Katie does DOZENS of obvious LGAT techniques she has taken from others, and claims she made it all up herself. Its an outright falsehood. She also claims she is not doing any techniques. Which is also false. Anyone who gets involved will see her do the same "act" time and time again. It
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Yes, as these threads get read by more people, various "followers" of Byron Katie with various motivations will drop in. To be certain, many are totally sincere in their basic engineered belief. But some others might work on the Byron Katie Hotline sweatshop, and are upset as The Work pays The Mortgage, and they don't want that criticized. Expect those to talk about "Hotl
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Anyone who has studied NLP can instantly see that Byron Katie is doing a lot of NLP and hypnotic techniques, in her own style. But what will blow your mind if you look into her, is that she is one of the most deceptive liars ever to come out of the NLP field, and that is saying a lot. Byron Katie denies knowing anything about NLP, and says she became Enlightened by magic one-day in a half-way h
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Welcome, DownToEarth... I am pressed for time at present, and will comment more on Steven Sashen shortly. BUT, there are already some comments in this thread already. Check out earlier in the thread... Sashen has a nice "presentation" and a seemingly Pleasing Personality...(How To Win Friends and Influence People)...but he is doing many highly dubious things. For example, h
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This is in reference to the CD set, “Your Inner Awakening: The Work of Byron Katie: Four Questions That Will Transform Your Life” by Byron Katie. This is initially a much more mainstream, gentle, and seductive program for the widest possible audience. This is Katie at her most seductive. Her voice-tone is very different than her other audio program, it is much softer, slower, and it sounds a
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This is in reference to the CD set, “Your Inner Awakening: The Work of Byron Katie: Four Questions That Will Transform Your Life” by Byron Katie. This is initially a much more mainstream, gentle, and seductive program for the widest possible audience. This is Katie at her most seductive. Her voice-tone is very different than her other audio program, it is much softer, slower, and it sounds a
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Jut what is the connection between Stever Robbins and Byron Katie? After all, by his own admission... "Stever has been involved in NLP since 1978. He is a Certified Master Trainer Elite of NLP, and was the original creator and maintainer of the web’s largest NLP site, (formerly nlp.com). He can often be found assisting at Richard Bandler and John LaValle’s Charisma Enhancement program
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one other ridiculous thing the Byron Katie people do, which shows how obvious they are is they always say something like... The Work is freely given. Notice the deceptive double-speak strategy behind that? Its like a fisherman saying... "the bait on my hook is Freely Given to the fishes". Byron Katie is putting all that stuff out there as BAIT, and a HOOK, to grab
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Cognitive therapy has shown very clearly, that too much self-blame, creates too much guilt. It has also proven for decades, that too much self-blame and self-downing creates and magnifies depression. So with the fraud of Byron Katies The Work, no matter what happens, you take 100% self-blame, and direct it all back at yourself. Guess what? That is going to literally send you into a deeper
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· Here are some rough notes about the Byron Katie 5 CD set “A Thousand Names For Joy”. Its important to begin the process of analysis, which is ongoing. · This is not just a typical CD of strange stories and comments by some lady who sounds kinda “weird”. Not even close. This is some very dangerous material, for certain people with certain vulnerabilities. Some people would just switch it o
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not only that, Lysette Offley's own bio TEXT is her first attempt to put you into Trance using a Cue. (Trance is focussed Attention) "the soothing voice you hear"...that is a hypnotic command... and its an Induction...its a basic one...like... "as you hear the sound of my voice you may find yourself going on a journey into yourself...that's right...yeah...soot
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a friend just lent me a CD set... A THOUSAND NAMES FOR JOY, 6 hours of audio from someone named Byron Katie, and her renowned unknown hubbie Stephen Mitchell. Lets put it on right now.. ...New Age music...so spiritual...I am in a Trance already.... - Stephen Mitchell starts with a preframe, and the false origin Story. - pitch the 4 Questions...this is very Trancy already...confusing
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also, if you wanted (not) to learn some covert Erickons Hypnosis from the NLP trainer unconscious manipulator Stever Robbins. Here is a massive page of info by Stever. It'll only cost you about $50,000 for all the NLP super-LGAT's, once they get done with you. "Much of early NLP was based on the work of Virginia Satir, a family therapist; Fritz Perls, founder of Gestalt th
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