The argument from "authority" is invalid. Many psychologists are totally naive about these complex business schemes, they sometimes don't have "street smarts" and Werner Erhard could easily dupe them. Many MD's are targets for con-artists for that reason. If the letter is confusing, that sounds like Landmark, they are experts in confusion. Every LGAT persuasi
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By the way, this process can be very effective when an aquaintance or "friend" is pestering you about attending the LGAT seminar they are involved with. (PSI, Landmark, Byron Katie, MKP...) The "friend" repeatedly asks you to attend _____ LGAT seminar, as it "changed their life", as they are programmed to do this, and make sales for the company. The response ca
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Another couple points on communications: The only way to really combat these exploitative groups, of which there are many, is through accurate knowledge. Once a person has carefully researched the precise TECHNIQUES used by these groups on people, which is not easy to do, then its much easier to explain them to friends or family who might be getting lured in by some group. These groups try
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On further reflection, there is something extremely disturbing about The ManKind Project, the more one looks into it. In the MKP New Warrior Training Adventure waiver, they mention "death" 5 times. death, death, death, death, death. 5x. (see below) Why? The reality is that many men who attend these events, could have past trauma they have not had treated by a licensed profession
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curiousnycgirl: "Personal experience"? Frankly, that's a response typical of LGAT participants who claim the only way that someone can understand is to personally experience the LGAT. However, research is fundamental to understanding what's wrong with LGATs. And it is not necessary to personally experience something to develop an understanding of it and an opinion bas
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Notice how these very damaging LGAT seminars all use similar methods in how they damage their own customers, as proven in the waivers they force their own people to sign before attending their LGAT seminar. MKP ManKind Project Participant Agreements: Assumption of Risk, Indemnification & Release New Warrior Training Adventure (link to release waivers) James Ray International:
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@ curiousnycgirl How many reported deaths are enough? How do you know how many suicides have occured related to MKP events, and the depression that can hit after these types of LGAT seminars? There are many suicides/psychoses/hospitalization that occur after these types of abusive seminars, its just that most of them never hit the media, and are only known by the family, and reported by t
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People need to be very very careful when they run into these sects that have attached new meanings to so many words. The people running the sect know that the MEANING of LANGUAGE is the primary aspect of any human's mind. So if they can start to shape those meanings, they shape the mind. Its a subtle and fast technique of thought-reform, meaning-control, mind-control. Its very powerful.
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@Christa There is certainly a sadistic God-complex power-mad aspect to James Ray. There is a lot of truth to the idea its not just about the money ONLY, as many other LGAT Gurus just focus on bringing in the bucks, and keeping those seminar-junkies at arms length. James Ray is utterly obsessed with making money for himself. But James Ray also likes to get personally involved in his superio
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I went to Debbie Ford's site and looked for info on her here: She doesn't state her education, at least as far as a quick scan can reveal. Is she a licensed therapist? Which state(s)/territory(ies)? She mentions a lot about spirituality/holiness...is she a formally educated theologian? Do you need to sign a waiver against suing her/the Shadow Process? Do you need to attest t
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The dangers and damages of the LGAT seminars run by PSI Seminars are explored in detail in other threads as well. PSI Seminars and what Happened to me PSI Seminars: Legal Action? PSI seminars waiver James Ray International: Waiver of Liability,Assumption of Risk, Indemnity Agreement and Disclaimer BY SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT YOU ARE WAIVING ALL RIGHTS TO COMPENSATION IN CASE
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This thread has a lot of information about the James Ray deaths and homicide investigations. James Ray Death Lodge These are all very similar LGAT seminars, PSI, James Arthur Ray, Landmark, Byron Katie, the list goes on and on. What is needed is some investigative news TV program, doing at least a 2 hour special, full of experts, carefully explaining how the LGAT seminar works. They don&
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Landmark waiver. PSI seminars waiver THE SCHOOL FOR THE WORK WITH BYRON KATIE - RELEASE OF LIABILITY James Ray International: Waiver of Liability,Assumption of Risk, Indemnity Agreement and Disclaimer BY SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT YOU ARE WAIVING ALL RIGHTS TO COMPENSATION IN CASE OF INJURY.
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James Ray International: Waiver of Liability,Assumption of Risk, Indemnity Agreement and Disclaimer BY SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT YOU ARE WAIVING ALL RIGHTS TO COMPENSATION IN CASE OF INJURY. Landmark waiver. PSI seminars waiver THE SCHOOL FOR THE WORK WITH BYRON KATIE - RELEASE OF LIABILITY
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Here is the "release" for the James Ray LGAT seminar. Notice their "death clause", and everything else that can happen to people. The James Ray LGAT is like Landmark, PSI, Byron Katie, and many others all at once. GENERAL EVENT RELEASE FORM We have provided a General Event Release Form in this guide that each attendee must sign, have witnessed and submit at registr
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James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge Notice the outrageous "waiver" from the James Ray LGAT seminar, and how similar it is to the Byron Katie LGAT seminar disclaimers. They also have a "death clause" for the seminar. The James Ray waiver explains many aspects of these damaging seminars, and their damaging results, as well as the Landmark waivers.
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I suppose any mass marathon meeting in NYC would require one to sign a waiver not to mention the need for blaring music and 'volunteers' and 'leaders'. Hmmm. Maybe someone will put up a R.R. sign and the actual meeting will be Landmark! Ahhh. The wonderful fantasy of R.R. driving a spike through the center of the Landmark coffin. (I can dream, can't I?)
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How does Landmark know the suicide rates of those who attend Landmark? Actually, their disclaimer says... "In less than 1/1000 of 1% of participants, there have been reports of unexplained suicide or other destructive behavior." Less that 1/1000 of 1%. Are you kidding? That is another flagrant lie, and deliberate trick language. (they use the words "unexplained suicide&q
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Landmark knows this happens to people who attend their seminars. That is why they force everyone to sign their disclaimer. Landmark Forum waiver The psychological damage occurs precisely as they outline in their waiver, so they know exactly what is happening, and exactly how they are doing it to people. How ruthless and sociopathic does a company and its people have to be, to continue to h
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That's good to get the money back. Even more important, its great that Landmark was not able to use their powerful techniques to mess with a person's mind. A good lesson from this thread is... #1) never give Landmark any money whatsoever, as its almost impossible to get that money back. Its like buying from a shady door-to-door salesman or store with no refunds, its too risky. O
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'thotcontrol' wrote: Quote I am not in favor of broad sweeping waivers where one sign away one rights Well, Landmark Education is in favor of 'broad sweeping waivers where one must sign away one's rights' and, reportedly, anyone who works at CG who wants to be considered for promotion as manager has to take Landmark and sign that sort of form. Here is the infor
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A well run corporate culture, whether a small business or a big one, keeps the unspoken rules to a minimum and the onus on the potential employer is to make actual prerequisites for job advancement up front at the time of the interview. Mention Landmark as part of the info packet given to people who are interested in applying for jobs at the restaurant. That way, you get applicants who are a
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Congrats on not getting manipulated by the high-pressure sales tactics of Landmark, making people wait around, having volunteers follow them around, its all planned and deliberate VERY high-pressure sales tactics. Very abusive and cynical. Even when a person tells them they cannot sign their release for medical reasons, even then they keep trying to persuade them to sign it? That just shows h
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That is some very challenging stuff, dealing with someone so close. Each person has to try and figure out what they think might be the most effective antidote. But one can use the Landmark waiver to show why one should NEVER attend Landmark. One could print copies of that waiver, and hi-light the relevant areas for family members, to show how damaging it can be. Most people don't read t
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This is the ideal way for people who do NOT want to go to the Landmark Forum, but don't want to get into a big fight about it with a close family member who is pressuring them to attend. You just print off the waiver, and take it to your legal advisor, doctor, or mental health expert, or therapist, or someone like that. And discuss the serious concerns with them, and decide not to go. T
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Here is another copy of their insane waiver, they make people sign. Even Landmark says if a person has concerns or is even uncertain about the warnings... DO NOT PARTICIPATE. So that is the answer right from Landmark. Anyone who is unsure about it... DON'T ATTEND. _____________________________________ "For others, the Program may occur as physically, mentally and emotionally
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All one can say is that the Landmark Forum is extremely dangerous for people. One can read message boards all over the internet where people have had terrible results from the forum, even psychotic break-downs. Even Landmark admits to this in the waiver everyone has to sign, see below. These LGAT seminars are very dangerous to anyone. Even someone with many years of experience studying these
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QuoteThe Anticult Fortunately now, versions of various LGAT releases of liability are posted on the internet, so people can look at them before they arrive. Some of the LGAT releases are posted, from PSI seminars, Landmark, and others. Landmark waiver PSI seminars waiver THE SCHOOL FOR THE WORK WITH BYRON KATIE - RELEASE OF LIABILITY AHA! Here's how, folks. Go to the bott
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Burn Out Prevention Strategy--All Purpose Disruptor Repellant A a tactical suggestion. To keep disruptors from clogging this thread with 'culture jamming' and filling it full of disinformation and noise, how about this: Each time a Disruptor appears, re-post this material that has been provided by The Anticult. QuoteFortunately now, versions of various LGAT releases of lia
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And many of the main LGAT's, specifically TARGET people with serious psychological problems, as they are the ones in the most desperate pain, looking for a miracle cure, and will spend the big bucks in that false hope. Its the same as certain "health" scams that target those with serious health problems, who are desperate, and will spend $30K without blinking, in hope of a bogus &
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