Thankful, You say: "the concept of brainwashing only makes sense if you want to be a victim". How uninformed are you? Do you know anything about bnrainwashing? Do you know who Robert Jay Lifton is? Do you know about his studies on brainwashing? Do you know that he did studies on captured POWs who underwent brainwashing? They must have wanted to be victims, accord
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I must say those are interesting comments. The concept of brainwashing only makes sense if you want to be a victim. If you take responsibility for your choices then this conversation and website wouldn't be happening. As far as the cost of the program is very affordable and I would have paid 20 times what it costs. This will be the last time I write to you: I want to leave you wit
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skeptic; that is: I'm thankfuly that you are thankful that I am thankful... :lol: regards, 'shad'
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: - this could get silly.. regards, 'shad'
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Furthermore, I'm thankful that I'm thankful.
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You're welcome 'shad' :)
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QuoteThe Shadow It sounds to me like you have taken you life to a level where I for one, do not want to be. Right . . . I'm thankful that I don't have thankful's view of lgats! HA!
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they ARE working :!: hooray!! :P :lol: 'shad'
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Hi 'skeptic' :!: thanks for joining in my "laugh therapy" group :wink: :lol: - sometimes that is all we can do eh? regards, 'shad'
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QuoteThe Shadow I would be Thankful if you would just stay away from here, unless you have something POSITIVE to contribute. LOLOLOL :!: :!: :!:
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Dear 'thankful' It sounds to me like you just came over to this site to "put down" people who know the truth about Legacy and other scam artists. It sounds to me like you have taken you life to a level where I for one, do not want to be. True transcendence takes a life time of involved living, it does not happen over a few weekends, and it does not cost a fort
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Oh, and thankful, I'm thankful I'm out of the trance.
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HA HA thankful! Quotethankful The trainers are very accomplished and work with CEOs and businesses throughout the world. Yes, they are accomplished . . . scam artists. I'm thankful for this site and for the people who recovered their minds (after being manipulated by these "accomplished" sociopathic scam artists) who very eloquently and articulately describe
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I was directed to this site by someone that found this on the internet and I have to say I'm blown away! I have done the trainings and they are fantastic and life changing. I'm looking at this website and it's funny and sad at the same time. I saw that people like Tony Robbins are criticized as a scam artist on this site. The guy is at the top of his profession in human p
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It looks like just another "standard issue" LGAT to me. Their "basic" package is nearly $2500. According to Wikipedia: "Lifespring training, once offered under a unified corporate umbrella (from 1974 onwards), now appears in several guises delivered by differently-named companies called "centers." Some of these companies
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Hi Kaz, Just call me cynical, but I think i know why Lori Todd is posting here. 'shad'
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Is it me or am I the only one wondering why Lori Todd posts here!
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LoriTodd: Don't post contact information here for anyone. If you do this again you will be banned from the board.
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:twisted: It's a PROVEN FACT that LORI TODD and ROB KATZ were involved in the Lifespring trainings in DC just before Lifespring, Inc. closed it's doors for good. After Lifespring went defunct, LORI TODD and ROB KATZ opened their own spinoff (THE LEGACY CENTER) in the Raleigh, NC area, doing almost identical trainings, with almost identical wording, terminology, contracts, etc, and e
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Below is a direct quote from the Pittsburg lawyer, Mr. Peter Georgiades: "The programs run by Lifespring (The Legacy Center is an offshoot and is virtually the same as Lifespring)), Inc. were indeed dangerous to many individuals. It was, in essence, a CONFIDENCE GAME. However, in order to make the emotional "high" at the end of the trainings intense (and the
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An update on LINDA-MARIE HUBERT of The Legacy Center cult during 2002-2003 and a member of their NC49 class: I know that The Legacy Center leadership are VERY PROUD of Ms Hubert. - she passionately enrolled (and coerced) approx. TWENTY-FIVE people into this cult :twisted: during the 1- 1.5 years that she was actively involved. - her most effective enrollment tools were offering to
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Hello wiseman, thanks for your message. I am very curious - did you see any significant or measurable improvements in your family members when they did quest and inquest? And how are they now, are they still involved and if not do they still talk quest-language? Can you tell us more about how it affected them? Quest is a relatively small organisation. They do a quest seminar once a mont
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John Fox wrote: QuoteFunny that you should chance upon the toilet training angle .... Funny that you should mention that. The Leadership course requiring the enema is offered by the The Legacy Center, a Hanley / Lifespring off-shoot. :shock: The plot thickens...
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Several years ago I was harrassed and continuosly pressured about attending the Legacy Center by a Ms Linda-Marie Hubert. :twisted: We had met on Match.com and both lived in Charlotte, NC at the time. Finally, it got so bad that I had to take out a restraining order against her. She had been relentless in bothering me. There were times that I thought she was even stalking me. She kept callin
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Does anyone realize how crazy and cunning these people are at Legacy! Lori Todd herself posted above to sound like a crazy person to discredit the legacy in turn to make it sound like all people are dysfunctional who don't believe in there ways.. I guess having a PhD and being a professor at UNC doesn't school you to the fact that when you post your name appears on it.... dumb ass
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The fact that they require a waiver from your therapist or mental health professional may help you get out of the contract and get your money back. It is one of their conditions of attendance, and you are not able to obtain it. Therefore the contract is void on the grounds of impossibility. If you paid with a credit card you may be able to challenge the charge and assert this defense to the ch
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THE LEGACY CENTER, My Experience Several years ago a woman by the name of Linda Marie Hubert badgered and pressured me into attending The Legacy Center in Raleigh, North Carolina. The following paragraphs summarize my feelings and experiences as a result of attending the Beginners, Advanced and Leadership cources there. The Legacy Center is a very disturbing cult and the people there s
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Listing of LGATs and their founders * Silvan Mind Control (1966, Jose Silva) - it is Silva * Mind Dynamics (1968, Alexander Everett from Silva Mind Control) * Leadership Dynamics (1970, William Penn Patrick) * est (1971, Werner Erhard from Mind Dynamics, Esalen and Scientology) * LifeStream Personal Growth Seminars (1973, Jim Quinn from Mind Dynamics, Janet Quinn) Currently Th
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QuotefuzbelflupI'm trying to find out information about Personal Dynamics in NYC. I have friends in the process of this nonsense. It sounds exactly like Landmark. Terminology and pricing etc. Does anyone know if it is affiliated with them. I sent Landmark an email asking them and they claim they are not. Who owns/controls Personal Dynamics? Are they just in NY? My best friend just s
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Legacy Center’s Leadership Program third weekend (LP III) takes place in the NC mountains near Boone at a place called Air Haven on Pine Run Road. When your wife got back after the weekend she probably had practically no voice left because she spent the weekend screaming at the top of her lungs and was also totally exhausted from running through the woods all weekend! The person I knew came back
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