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No, I don't think so.
I quite specifically laid out the conditions of my interest in dialog, and you rejected them.
I have no interest in refuting silly meanderings on your part, nor engaging with one who continues in the mode of "they all do it, so stop blaming the Arab/Muslim fascist death cult Jihaddi terrorist murderers."
Nope. I think I'll continue to focus on the problem, not some peripheral nonsense...
What part of no I don't condone any atrocities do you not understand?
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Does this mean you excuse the mass slaughter of innocents by US, UK and even Israel? I don't condone any heinous acts of atrocities by anyone.
Why is it "bizarre" reasoning to protest against foreign military bases and the plundering of resources by foreign corporations? For instance Japan has had a US military base in Okinawa since the end of WWII. There has been large protests by the locals against this base because there has been problems like rape committed by US soldiers of Japanese women. Is it "bizarre" for them to then protest against this foreign military base in their country?
Why is the onus always on the Muslims? The US and UK has a very long history of bloody colonialism and imperialism. It was the US that dropped the atomic bomb and still continues to completely cover up the real consequences of a nuclear bomb. Is that not one of the biggest crimes of this century? What about Israel and their numerous human rights violation?
It's true these fundamentalists are dangerous people and this is why most regular Muslims condemn them too. Ironically the US seems to support these fundamentalists as well since they helped put up the Shah in Iran and continue to support Saudia Arabia, a fundamentalist country.
Many US soldiers are questioning some of these events and believe it to be an inside job.
What about Jews then? Let's not forget there are some Jewish cults listed on this website here.
Columbine and the Trenchcoat mafia were all Jewish kids and shot a girl for holding a Bible:
Jack the Ripper was a Jew:
My point is that everyone has blood on their hands. I have even criticized my own father for "defending" the allegations against Japan of wartime crimes. There is also a lot of misinformation out there. Personally my problem with the Islamic fascist angle is that it seems to be blown out of proportion which has been aided by the media and this rampant misinformation has lead to stereotyping of all Arabs. Even if these fundamentalists are dangerous why is the US being completely hypocritical in who they go after in the middle east? I just don't believe we are told the whole story.
Israel has everything to do with the conflict over there. I agree though that these fundamentalists are dangerous people with their desire for Sharia law. That is why I want the US government to stop supporting these fundamentalist regimes like Saudi Arabia or even the Taliban.
As it ever was this has been the classic chicken and the egg question. Who started first? Did Bin Laden type people exist before WWII? Did all the middle east conflict start before the creation of Israel? Real history Moishe? What about the Jewish declaration of war on Germany?
Moishe, I condemn atrocities committed by anyone. It is you that does not condemn US and Israel equally in this mess. Let me remind you that Israel is the sole nuclear power in that region with a formidable military that is quickly rivaling the superpowers of this world funded by US taxpayers. You keep complaining about these "death cultists" while you have crazy Israelis calling for a nuclear strike on Iran!
Who is really oppressed over there?
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All of your posts excuse any peripheral agreement that Arab/Islamic fascist death cult terrorist Jihaddi might be murdering scum with the qualifier that "what about....?"
And then you proceed to post silly or inflammatory information on your perceived grievances against Jews or the US or whomever...
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Moishe3rd
All of your posts excuse any peripheral agreement that Arab/Islamic fascist death cult terrorist Jihaddi might be murdering scum with the qualifier that "what about....?"
And then you proceed to post silly or inflammatory information on your perceived grievances against Jews or the US or whomever...
On the money. This is just another fool with an internet connection who sees no difference between flat-out nazi propaganda and legitimate critiques of the US and Israel. Judicial-biz is a classic fascist website with only one purpose: blame Jews for all the world's problems.
The jihadists are the number one problem in the world today, and the US should mainly be criticized for ENABLING them in Chechnya, Kosovo, Macedonia, Palestine, Kashmir, etc. Just like the Soviets are doing with Hamas and Iran, our leaders think radical muslims can be used to continue the Cold War, without considering that we should be building an anti-jihadist alliance with Russia, China, Israel, India, and any other country having to deal with jihad.
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shakti
On the money. This is just another fool with an internet connection who sees no difference between flat-out nazi propaganda and legitimate critiques of the US and Israel. Judicial-biz is a classic fascist website with only one purpose: blame Jews for all the world's problems.
The jihadists are the number one problem in the world today, and the US should mainly be criticized for ENABLING them in Chechnya, Kosovo, Macedonia, Palestine, Kashmir, etc. Just like the Soviets are doing with Hamas and Iran, our leaders think radical muslims can be used to continue the Cold War, without considering that we should be building an anti-jihadist alliance with Russia, China, Israel, India, and any other country having to deal with jihad.
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shakti
On the money. This is just another fool with an internet connection who sees no difference between flat-out nazi propaganda and legitimate critiques of the US and Israel. Judicial-biz is a classic fascist website with only one purpose: blame Jews for all the world's problems.
The jihadists are the number one problem in the world today, and the US should mainly be criticized for ENABLING them in Chechnya, Kosovo, Macedonia, Palestine, Kashmir, etc. Just like the Soviets are doing with Hamas and Iran, our leaders think radical muslims can be used to continue the Cold War, without considering that we should be building an anti-jihadist alliance with Russia, China, Israel, India, and any other country having to deal with jihad.
I suppose the US and Israel do not engage in propaganda either?
Now you mention the magic work, ENABLING. I've remarked about this several times in my posts. Now what does enabling mean? Funding? Support? Perhaps even responsible for their rise? Don't you see the utter contradiction in what the US is saying?
I have also questioned why the US considers Saudi Arabia, a fundamentalist country, an ally when it's clear they are funding some of these terrorists. This is exactly what I mean that it's not cut and dry. Thanks for proving my point there bud.
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shakti
Yes, I would agree that it is very complicated and that the US is far from innocent.
HOWEVER, as an American, as an infidel, Islam has crossed the line. You are obviously on the other side and wish for us to be destroyed along with Israel. Fine, that is your opinion. In the end, the American people will wake up and you will lose.
We will stand by Israel, we will even stand by Europe, though they show very little spine in standing up to Islam.
Israel, while far from perfect, is still a far better ally than ANY muslim country and we will not abandon her, though all the cynics and "realists" will beg otherwise.
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kageki
w much do you want to bet that these radical Muslims will go away if US, UK and Israel just stopped meddling with their affairs?
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shakti
I would bet you anything! Are you aware of the jihad in Thailand? Will those muslims stop their jihad if the US leaves Iraq and stops supporting Israel? Will the Muslims in the Phillipines stop? Will the Iranians stop their nuclear program? Will their leader stop hosting Holocaust denial conventions? Will the Sudanese jihadists end their slaughter in Darfur? The answer to all of these is , of course, no! We supported the Afghan jihad through the 80s, gave their leaders visas and connections, let them settle in our country, and then they STILL turned on us and pulled off the WTC attack in '93! We have supported their jihad in Kosovo and in Chechnya, yet still no gratitude. Enough is enough.
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"rachel1965"
Here's the crux of the problem: how do you argue with someone who is vehement that God has told him to eradicate all those who don't believe a certain faith?
Teach them the value of humility. Being humble allows us to fully see the world around us, to accept the wisdom of others, and is directly what a just God would want for us.
If we can get the terrorists to see the value of the true religious virtues, we can get them to stop being terrorists.