Re: Samuel Sagan Clairvision
Date: September 23, 2021 10:06AM
Thanks for that additional explanation, mesche, that helps me understand a bit more what you're saying
> I got the impression that there was a lot of
> spiritual ego going on as a result of these
> experiences--feeling like CV was superior to most
> other approaches, a sense of having special powers
> or abilities, etc.
I found this to be absolutely true in the Clairvision school - huge amounts of elitism. Huge feelings of superiority, feeling like they knew the best and only way to look at things, the way they are doing things is so special and could not possibly be reproduced or replicated or explained to the commoner. You are special if you get to be in the Clairvision school. Spiritual narcissism at its finest.
It's worth noting that a lot of people find their way into the Clairvision school via Karen Kingston, who has a bit of her own cult following and massive elitist attitude about herself. I felt like people in the Clairvision school (and many who were not in the school as well) treated her as much like a guru as they did Samuel.
I admit I was one of the people who hopped on the bandwagon and took some of Karen Kingston's clutter clearing courses back in the day. I had thought her books were good, but I was really unimpressed with her courses. She holds herself up to be this amazing expert in the field, but I really got more out of courses with certified professional organizers than I did with Kingston. The way she taught her courses it was like her way or the highway, which is really not helpful when it comes to time management and other clutter clearing. Although she's done it for years, I don't feel like Karen Kingston is the big expert she claims to be.
I had a friend in the CV school who did the courses at the same time I did. She had wanted to take the clutter clearer training with Kingston and said the course seemed more like you were paying to audition for Kingston's approval to move forward rather than the course itself being helpful. My friend was ultimately rejected from the training because she was "too fat". She was a bit overweight (but definitely not obese), and this seemed like a weird elitist thing from Kingston as well because my friend met all the qualifications required.
I think it's interesting that Kingston claims to have coined the term "space clearing" but one of Kingston's teachers, Denise Linn, also claims to have coined the term.
Last I knew Kingston still required people to go through years of Clairvision training before she will train them for her clutter clearing and space clearing techniques, even though I don't believe she's been active in the Clairvision school since around the time Samuel died.
Fair warning to not take Karen Kingston's word as an expert on much, or at least seriously question what she puts forward in addition to what the CV school puts out. I've seen these same abusive behaviors that are referenced above coming from Karen Kingston's clutter clearers and space clearers as well... They are not exempt from acting out in ways described above.