I'll say it again, I'm not a big advocate of court orderd AA, I thinks that it's unnatural but seeds do get planted.[b:fdabb533c5] In AA we are put is an aquard position when such an individual shows up[/b:fdabb533c5]. We would not want to turn someone away from AA because of some biass on our part. We might ruin a chance to help at a later time so we let them do as they wish.
My point is, and has been all along, that AA[b:fdabb533c5] deliberately seeks[/b:fdabb533c5] attendees from court referrals, in spite of [b:fdabb533c5]stating, in literature, on the websites, and at meetings, that a desire to quit drinking is the only requirement for membership[/b:fdabb533c5].
And you are basing this point on the misquoted and out-of-context statement:
The purpose of the
Treatment Facilities assignment is to share
experience and information with committees
that carry the A.A. message into a variety of
These two actions are [b:fdabb533c5]contradictory[/b:fdabb533c5] and denote a definite[b:fdabb533c5] hypocracy [/b:fdabb533c5]on the part of the organization of AA.
I'm sure that trying to explain this contradictiory behavior is [b:fdabb533c5]awkward[/b:fdabb533c5], indeed.
(Not even to mention the legalities involved.)
Now, we can hash over exactly what this statement means if you like, and decide whether or not it constitutes attraction or promotion.
"Bridging the gap" is what you are referring to and we will need to hash over exactly what this statement means given that you are misquoting and taking out of context, either carelessly or deliberately, parts of AA literature.
"Bridging the gap" is when AA members take the AA message [b:fdabb533c5]of recovery [/b:fdabb533c5] into a facility in which there already exists alcoholics participating in AA, participation which has arisen only after initial contact has been made to AA by the facility in question.
The purpose of taking the message of recovery to the facility being to "bridge the gap" between referred AA participation by the facility and outside, voluntary participation in AA by the individual.
Here, from the AA guidelines, again, is a list of what AA does not do.
A.A. does not:
[b:fdabb533c5]1. Furnish initial motivation for alcoholics to recover
2. Solicit members[/b:fdabb533c5]
3. Engage in or sponsor research
4. Keep attendance records or case histories
5. Join “councils” of social agencies
6. Follow up or try to control its members
7. Make medical or psychological diagnoses or prognoses
8. Provide drying-out or nursing services, hospitalization, drugs, or any medical or psychiatric treatment
9. Offer religious services
10. Engage in education about alcohol
11. Provide housing, food, clothing, jobs, money, or any other welfare or social services
12. Provide domestic or vocational counseling
13. Accept any money for its services, or any contributions from non-A.A. sources
14. Provide letters of reference to parole boards, lawyers, court officials, social agencies, employers, etc.
Regarding members of AA who are referred by Court programs and Treatment facilities:
Members From Court Programs and Treatment Facilities
In recent years, A.A. groups have welcomed many new members from court programs and treatment facilities. Some have come to A.A. voluntarily; others, under a degree of pressure. In our pamphlet “How A.A. Members Cooperate,” the following appears:
We cannot discriminate against any prospective A.A. member, even if he or she comes to us under pressure from a court, an employer, or any other agency.
Although the strength of our program lies in the voluntary nature of membership in A.A., many of us first attended meetings because we were forced to, either by someone else or by inner discomfort. But continual exposure to A.A. educated us to the true nature of the illness.... Who made the referral to A.A. is not what A.A. is interested in. It is the problem drinker who is our concern.... We cannot predict who will recover, nor have we the authority to decide how recovery should be sought by any other alcoholic.
And again, what barabara wrote, incorrectly:
I feel that, as AA has "[b:fdabb533c5]committees that carry the A.A. message into a variety of treatment settings"[/b:fdabb533c5], as opposed to letting treatment centers come to AA, promotion is indeed the correct word.
But the problem is not really whether or not AA attracts or promotes; the problem is the lack of information about secular alternatives to the faith-based, "spiritual", or shall we say "religious", models for recovery.
This leads to serious "risks" for those seeking recovery who are:
1. Dually diagnosed
2. Incorrectly diagnosed
3. Incapable of or unwilling to embrace "faith healing" as a "cure" for their addiction
Admonishments made to someone who is suffering from a mental or physical ailment to "work the steps" and "let go and let God" and "surrender" are probably valueless at best, and may be extremely destructive to that individual, as the examples I, (and others here and elsewhere), have given illustrate.[/b:fdabb533c5]
I ask that you disallow further discussion re AA by barabara on the grounds that she is misquoting and taking out of context AA policy and guidelines, and has admitted to blackening the image of AA as per her frustration not at the organisation but at me and other members of your messageboard who cannot support her incorrect portrayal of the organisation.
I wonder also whether all of the AA threads could be put into a separate folder. At the moment, they exist in threads about "Clergy Abuse" and "New religious movements" and others. More appropriate would be a new category, "Non-cult groups".