The Dangers Of Having A "Life Coach"
Posted by: jill w ()
Date: December 07, 2014 09:12PM

Life Coaching is big business. It's not regulated, so it's hard to track the amount of money exchanging hands.

As they say... "There is nothing new under the Sun"

Back in the day we called them GURUS.

We gave power to them and that ruined many lives.

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Please Report Life Coach Problems Here - We Need You
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: December 07, 2014 11:17PM

Readers, please tell your friends to contribute if
they have told you of problems or worse that ensued
whent they consulted 'life coaches"

** By contrast, one can research the qualifications of
a licensed psychotherapist or employment counselor
who is part of EDD or a state or city funded program.

In the case of licensed therapists, it is also possible
to register complaints to thier licensing agency and look
up whether others have filed complaints.

Where is the accountablity for Life Coaches?

Some say they are certified. But..who issues that credential?

Can a consumer register a complaint to the source of the
LC's credentialing?


The LC will tell you to be responsible for your life,
but how is the LC responsible? Does the LC answer to
anyone? And whom?

* What incentive does the LC have to assist you in
solving your problem quickly, so that you can move
forward and no longer need the LC's services?

* What are the person's qualifications?

* What background does the person have? Did he or she
lose a license to practice psychotherapy? Does he
or she belong to a guru group or pyramid scheme or
large group awareness training and use life coaching
as a way to identify and recruit followers?

It is difficult to assess the size of the problem
because Life Coach advertisements astro turf Google.

This makes it difficult to
find problems amid the hype and praise and adverts.


Here is what happened when one puts "legal issues" and "life coaches"
into the google slot.

the exact phrase search option)

[www.google.com]

This search "legal problems" and "life coaches" turned up a few
leads a.

[www.google.com]

One expressed concern here:

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bills and legal problems - BPDFamilyNot all blogs and online "life coaches" are reliable, accurate, or healthy for you.
Remember, there ... bills and legal problems. « on: January 29 ...
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Placing "Better Business Bureau" in the search slot yielded more
adverts -- and some solid aids for research.

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As of 2013, there are currently no degree programs for LC's though
there are various certification programs.

(Quote)The Better Business Bureau suggests doing your research and knowing what type of coach you're after.

"You're going to want to ask for references and don't be afraid to call people and ask them, whether or not this life coach provided them with the services they anticipated from them," said BBB investigator John Harmon.

Like Weisheit, you may want to meet your coach before handing over any money. This gives you a chance to see if your personalities are a match.

"Almost all coaches will do a free sample session with you so I highly recommend that people get in touch and talk to that person for 20 or 30 minutes and see how it feels," smiled Emser.

A session that could help you take a leap that you might not otherwise.

"It helps really set goals because i think for most of us we think about doing things, but we really don't but the steps into action," nodded Weisheit.


The BBB also says be wary of coaches offering degrees as a red flag.
Currently there are no degree programs, only certifications, to become a life coach.
Copyright 2013 Nexstar Broadcasting, Inc. All rights reserved.
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Down economy spurs life/career coaching - The Seattle TimesMay 26, 2010 ... The Better Business Bureau has only received a handful of complaints about life
coaches, but most have to do with contract and pay issues, not ...
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"One of Vera's clients, Riquelle Small, used her to help organize her thoughts, and help figure out her path in both life and business. Originally she saw Vera weekly, but now she just visits her monthly for "maintenance" sessions.

"Although we have our own answers within us, it's great to have people who can help get information out of you and show you where you want to go," Small said.

The International Coach Federation defines coaches as "partnering with clients in a thought-provoking and creative process that inspires them to maximize their personal and professional potential."

advertising

The ICF says it's important to find out what kind of training the coach has had, if they adhere to a code of ethics, and if they have credentials. Also, the group advises people to make sure the areas they specialize in are in lock-step with what is sought, and that there's good chemistry. Most coaches offer free consulting sessions to make sure there's a fit.

A search on Yelp near San Francisco returns more than 1,000 hits of those offering coach guidance. And the type of coaches run the gamut. The most common is a life coach, but there are career coaches, transitional coaches, business coaches and spiritual coaches, to name a few.

The cost of coaching sessions usually runs from $75 to $150 an hour. Many coaches offer package deals that include forms of correspondence, such as text messages or e-mail exchanges, between sessions.

The Better Business Bureau has only received a handful of complaints about life coaches, but most have to do with contract and pay issues, not the coaching itself."

"The major concern in terms of coaching is that it's self-regulated. The amount of training can vary. The ICF offers credential programs, and there are other certification programs available via the Internet, but nothing is required to be a coach.


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One needs to know this legal term to do meaty LC research
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: December 07, 2014 11:32PM

Now, here is a term that is important.

Fiduciary

This is a legal term, and it means 'in a position of trust'

A fiduciary is obligated to care for clients.

* Maximize benefits and minimize risk (a discussion of licensed
therapist obligations)

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* Maintain confidentiality. (Does the life coach keep computer
and files in a secure place? If the LC has a home office, do
children or others have access to the same computer the LC
uses to store client information?

After a certain time will the LC dispose of your files in
a secure manner? (That is, via a document shredding company?)

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Legal Definition of Fiduciary

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Fiduciary
An individual in whom another has placed the utmost trust and confidence to manage and protect property or money. The relationship wherein one person has an obligation to act for another's benefit.

A fiduciary relationship encompasses the idea of faith and confidence and is generally established only when the confidence given by one person is actually accepted by the other person. Mere respect for another individual's judgment or general trust in his or her character is ordinarily insufficient for the creation of a fiduciary relationship. The duties of a fiduciary include loyalty and reasonable care of the assets within custody. All of the fiduciary's actions are performed for the advantage of the beneficiary.

Courts have neither defined the particular circumstances of fiduciary relationships nor set any limitations on circumstances from which such an alliance may arise. Certain relationships are, however, universally regarded as fiduciary. The term embraces legal relationships such as those between attorney and client, Broker and principal, principal and agent, trustee and beneficiary, and executors or administrators and the heirs of a decedent's estate.

A fiduciary relationship extends to every possible case in which one side places confidence in the other and such confidence is accepted; this causes dependence by the one individual and influence by the other. Blood relation alone does not automatically bring about a fiduciary relationship. A fiduciary relationship does not necessarily arise between parents and children or brothers and sisters.

The courts stringently examine transactions between people involved in fiduciary relationships toward one another. Particular scrutiny is placed upon any transaction by which a dominant individual obtains any advantage or profit at the expense of the party under his or her influence. Such transaction, in which Undue Influence of the fiduciary can be established, is void.


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fiduciary 1) n. from the Latin fiducia, meaning "trust," a person (or a business like a bank or stock brokerage) who has the power and obligation to act for another (often called the beneficiary) under circumstances which require total trust, good faith and honesty. The most common is a trustee of a trust, but fiduciaries can include business advisers, attorneys, guardians, administrators of estates, real estate agents, bankers, stock brokers, title companies, or anyone who undertakes to assist someone who places complete confidence and trust in that person or company. Characteristically, the fiduciary has greater knowledge and expertise about the matters being handled. A fiduciary is held to a standard of conduct and trust above that of a stranger or of a casual business person. He/she/it must avoid "self-dealing" or "conflicts of interests" in which the potential benefit to the fiduciary is in conflict with what is best for the person who trusts him/her/it. For example, a stockbroker must consider the best investment for the client, and not buy or sell on the basis of what brings him/her the highest commission. While a fiduciary and the beneficiary may join together in a business venture or a purchase of property, the best interest of the beneficiary must be primary, and absolute candor is required of the fiduciary. 2) adj. defining a situation or relationship in which a person is acting as a fiduciary for another. (See: trust, fiduciary relationship)


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fiduciary adjective commanding belief, commanddng confidence, confidential, deserving belief, fiducial, founded in confidence, reliable, sound, trusted, worthy of belief, worthy of credence
Associated concepts: fiduciary bequest, fiduciary bond, fiduuiary capacity, fiduciary relation
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fiduciary noun agent, caretaker, custodian, guardian, one who handles property for another, one who transacts business for another, person entrusted with property of another, trustee
Associated concepts: escrow, trust

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Put "malpractice suits against Life Coaches" into Google
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: December 07, 2014 11:36PM

One has to know how to think negatively in order to
get useful search results for a hyped up occupation.

Put "malpractice suits against Life Coaches" into Google

[www.google.com]

Here are the citations that came up on Page One of the
search results.



Chapter 9 - Claims Against CliniciansIf Kerry sued the psychologist for malpractice, what would she need to prove? ....
If the client wants to take action against the life coach, the client should initiate ...
www.barsky.org/.../09-Chapter%209%20Claims%20Against%20Clinicians. docx - - Cached - Similar pages


Do Life Coaches ever get sued for client harm? - Avvo.comIf I say I am offering therapy, or advice, in the capacity of life coach and not in ...
God forbid, the lawyer putting together a lawsuit against you will go straight for ...
www.avvo.com/.../do-life-coaches-ever-get-sued-for-client-harm--1518679. html - 75k - Cached - Similar pages


Coaching: A New Frontier Some Questions and Answers - The TrustPopular life coach Cheryl Richardson…describes her coaching as ... more,
licensing boards will take complaints against psychologists from consumers of ...
Is coaching covered by a mental health professional's malpractice insurance?
www.trustinsurance.com/resources/articles/coaching.pdf - - Cached - Similar pages


Professional Liability for Allied Health Professionals | Lockton Affinity... Job Coach, Developer or Trainer, LED Therapy, Life Coach, Light Therapist ...
In today's lawsuit-prone world, a simple client or patient accident or injury can
quickly ... into a claim against you personally, and can result in thousands of
dollars in ... Respiratory Therapist; Speech Pathology; Triathlon Coach; Yoga
Instructor ...
professionalliabilityinsurance.info/ - 57k - Cached - Similar pages


Life Coach Insurance - IDEAProfessional liability insurance policies cover liability and trip-and-fall claims ...
Personal Injury Liability for Life Coaches protects you against suits involving libel,
...
www.ideafit.com/fitness-insurance/life-coach-insurance - 44k - Cached - Similar pages


Unlicensed "Life Coach" Loses Suit against Nutrition Licensing BoardOct 12, 2012 ... Unlicensed "Life Coach" Loses Suit against. Nutrition Licensing ... The lawsuit,
filed in federal court, stated the following: Cooksey used a diet of ...
www.quackwatch.org/14Legal/cooksey.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages


What Kind of Insurance Does a Life Coach Need? | Chron.comIt might not seem like a life coach needs a great deal of insurance. ... A product
liability coverage policy covers you against any suits or claims related to your ...
smallbusiness.chron.com/kind-insurance-life-coach-need-71343.html - 105k - Cached - Similar pages


Counselors Practicing Without a License: Is it Legal? - Counseling ...Nov 15, 2011 ... The guy claims to be a “board certified hypnotherapist”…but in ... Moreover, even
if it did, nothing would stop someone from providing “life coaching”, ...... In the
event they are have to defend against a lawsuit resulting from ...
thriveworks.com/.../counselors-practicing-without-a-license-is-it-legal/ - 194k - Cached - Similar pages


Counseling vs. life coaching | Counseling TodayDec 15, 2008 ... The relationship between professional counselors and life coaches is ..... who
conduct “coaching” can have complaints lodged against them by their ... In
addition, coaching clients can sue counselors for malpractice and ...
ct.counseling.org/2008/12/counseling-vs-life-coaching-2/ - 78k - Cached - Similar pages


camft.org | Coaching Should it be for YouMost often therapists who do Coaching will concentrate in the Personal/Life ....
actions taken against licensed professionals who have provided Coaching. ... an
MFT's malpractice insurance, on the other hand, if the service offered is Coaching
, ...
www.camft.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home...=/CM/... - 109k - Cached - Similar pages







--
This is how playing the
Devil's Advocate *helps* in wading through astroturfed
Google, and finding some solid information about hazards
and problems in a hype ridden industry.

Put "Fiduciary Problems" in Google alongside "Life Coach"

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Life Coaches and Mental Illness | Psychology TodayFeb 24, 2014 ... As life coaching expands, there are important issues to consider. ... Just a few
years ago, life coaches were largely shying away from the complex issues ... The
clinician has a fiduciary responsibility to that patient, to ensure ...
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/.../life-coaches-and-mental-illness - 99k - Cached - Similar pages


What Life Coaches Won't Tell You | Next AvenueSep 10, 2014 ... Life coaches are there to help, but are they qualified? ... Business coaches
originally were hired mainly to fix problem behavior that might ...
www.nextavenue.org/article/.../10-things-life-coaches-wont-tell-you - 172k - Cached - Similar pages


TIME GOES BY | Elder Life CoachesOct 23, 2006 ... One guy offers to explore issues and problems around retirement and .....
Leaving it to the state to appoint guardiandships and fiduciaries for ...
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Top 10 professional life coaching myths - CBS NewsDec 20, 2011 ... Myth #1: Life coaches are professionals who can help you achieve your ... One of
the problems in the coaching industry is that anyone can call ...
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The Changing Role of the Financial Planner Part 2: Prescriptions for ...and intimate life-altering issues and deci- sions, and (4) ... serve as life coaches
for their clients, and (3) to discuss the ..... tionary, fiduciary power. Certainly, con-.
[www.kinderinstitute.com]- Prescriptions%20for_Coaching_and_Life_Plan.pdf - - Cached - Similar pages


Elder Law Prof BlogOct 27, 2014 ... Debating Fiduciary Duties and Resident Rights in Continuing Care Communities
... "problems" with certain CCRC operations, including some multi-site .....
broader aspect: life coaches, marriage coaches, business coaches, ...
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Life Coaches Insurance Application - CPH & AssociatesProfessional Liability Insurance for Life Coaches. ... Life Coaches Insurance
Application. Complete your application in minutes; Immediate access to your
policy ...
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Search | Kitces.com - Part 15... of Tuesday's guest blog post regarding FINRA's significant fiduciary shift with
its ... this week's proposals to “fix” the Obamacare problems by extending the time
.... business coaches and more on holistic-goal-centric life coaches; and the last ...
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6 CE / CME... and annuity products, review related policy issues and fiduciary responsibilities
, and ... Life Coaches work with clients to help them establish and achieve their ...
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About Collaborative Divorce? - Claire Sanderson HannaEmotions run high, unwanted issues have to be dealt with ... life coaches, all of
whom are trained in collaborative divorce. In ..... fiduciary obligation to each other
.
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Re: The Dangers Of Having A "Life Coach"
Posted by: jill w ()
Date: December 11, 2014 10:33AM

Thank you for giving this subject attention. You have provided helpful information.

I can't understand why the State agencies don't try and regulate and why the medical board doesn't go after these people for practicing medicine without a license.

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Re: The Dangers Of Having A "Life Coach"
Posted by: cryst-oh ()
Date: November 14, 2017 04:52AM

Parents are referred to as "life coaches" so are "grandparents" and "teachers". So how to move forward?

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Re: Please Report Life Coach Problems Here - We Need You
Posted by: bryceblue ()
Date: April 13, 2018 08:27AM

I had an unfortunate experience with a life coach this past autumn. I had read a book that I liked by author Pam Grout. In the book I became familiar with a story by a life coach named Catherine Behan. that I found rather inspiring. I contacted Catherine after seeing an offer on her website where she would assist me in doing a scientific experiment based on the law of attraction for a fee of fifty dollars. I sent her a check and we set up our first telephone appointment. In the first several minutes of our conversation after asking me some getting to know you questions she asked me if I had ever seen the show the singing competition television show the voice,I said yes and she said she does not do this for very many people but she is turning her chair around for me to be my personal coach because I had so much potential. I was thrilled! This was a Pam Grout touted life coach! I emptied out my savings account to pay for a rather steep monthly coaching fee. I was foolish in not asking for a reference or doing any research. In our sessions about a quarter of the time would be spent discussing on taking action on my goals and Catherine did have some creative marketing ideas and exercises to get creative juices flowing. for my business however the rest of the session was spent with her telling me about herself,her clients and what type of psychic she was or wasn't (ie;if you were interested in growing a business or traveling she could use her psychic ability to guide you but if you wanted to have a baby she was not that kind of psychic,and she would talk primarily about her desire to buy living large experiences and the man she knew was coming her way. At some point in our second (after I had sent the check for her expensive monthly coaching fee) conversation she said the first time we spoke she could not effing energetically read me at all I was so resistant and hard to reach. In hindsight it was my bad for not asking her why then in our first appointment was she so enthused to work with me and offer me coaching she claims to not offer very many people who contact her. I do take accountability for my lack of healthy skepticism. I joined a group phone call of hers where she would lead the group in an EFT session tapping on various issues and her facebook group where a support lounge was available 24/7 and members could interact and support one another. If someone was struggling with an issue they could post and other members would add there advice and support. Many of the members on the lounge seemed quite nice. I did not have the money to continue private coaching but Catherine offered an affordable monthly fee to be part of the facebook lounge group and group eft calls. In another phone conversation where I gave Catherine my credit card information to pay for the group fee she told me in a tone laced with "your really gonna miss the boat Bryce" tone that not paying her for one on one coaching is really going to delay my success. I told Catherine I just did not have the money and she said she does not have much either and quickly ended the call. I foolishly believed her. My success would be delayed and likely denied (so I thought) without her one on one coaching. I did like the facebook lounge and appreciated giving and receiving support from the other members. Here is where my experience with Catherine Behan got confusing and negative.

Let me preface what I am about to share with how my learning and communication style was evaluated when I was a freshman in high school. My verbal communication skills were evaluated at college level. This is a very important point as I go on in sharing my experience with life coach Catherine Behan.

I was feeling a bit confused and thought Catherine could give me some solid guidance on how to detach from my desires. Catherine bills herself as a law of attraction coach and I had read in several LOA books that detachment can speed up manifestation. I asked her if I could pay her forty dollars to have a phone session on this subject and she readily agreed. In our talk that day she did not offer any suggestions on how to detach. Catherine told me that myself and most of her clients had a severe communication disorder and that is why we were unsuccessful at making money. She said that she has a masters degree in communication disorders when she was at university in the early 1970's and I definitely have this disorder. Her voice became intense and angry telling me I have insulted every school teacher(due to my communication skills comparing me and her other female clients to actress Mayim Balik) and likely peers of mine due to this disorder. I told her I did not see how this was possible since the feedback I had gotten from my clients at work was how well I communicate and that was echoed by my co workers,friends and family members. Her tone then softened slightly and she said it was not my fault since I was unaware of this disorder. She then said she had the patience of a saint and if she did not she would have asked me to leave the facebook group because my support to her and the other members was very kind but to sweet and child like but thank god she had so much patience. I honestly had never heard this type of feedback from anyone about the way I communicate I was truly baffled. I was quiet processing what she said and truly was quite surprised.

Her tone then changed back to anger as she went on about how she wants to use LOA to travel and win the lottery and said my goal of living out my years in my home (which I love a lot) was keeping me frozen on a piece of property and my having this desire was also due to how poor of a communicator I am but it wasn't my fault. I was radio silent did not know what to say. She then said she did not know what entity was speaking through her but it was not Catherine. I remained quiet. She then softened her tone of voice told me about the lovely farmers market in her area and I will have to go with her when I visit her. I finally spoke and said I felt awful about what she said and it did not make any sense to me. She responded by telling me that people with this disorder could not tell and picture of a lemon from a picture of a grape and said her life was like the extra terrestrial populated canteen scene in the film star wars and every where she turns there is another effing one of them she is being called to help. The conversation ended with her telling me something about how much her female clients do so well after they stop questioning her assessment of there disorder and she knows I will do well if I concede. I said goodbye and take care she said the same to me now her tone was happy almost chirpy sounding. I have not spoken to her since. I know I was foolish for not questioning her at all and I do regret that decision. It was my choice to work with her I am angry with myself for doing so. Healthy skepticism is a very good and necessary quality I lacked.

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Re: Please Report Life Coach Problems Here - We Need You
Posted by: bakkagirl ()
Date: June 11, 2018 08:09PM

Corboy,

Thank you for having researched all of this.

With regard to your rhetorical question regarding who coachee can complain to if they have an issue with a coach, I would suggest that the ICF's representations that it acts in the manner of a licensing board are false.

I recently contacted two senior ICF leaders who have responsibility for reviewing complaints against coaches practicing in Asia. My issues related to: 1) an ICF 'mentor' coach who made false representations to me and another coach regarding a certification process, and then proceeded to extract clients information from both of us. This mentor coach had been a global board member of the ICF.

This discussion also touched on the ICF's approval of Asia chapter 'leaders', who have no significant background in the field.

With regard to the latter point, one of these auditors confessed to me that 50% of ICF chapters in Asia are "off the tracks" -- this would mean they are being used as business portals rather than practice groups, or are selling unauthorized training, or are engaged in mentor scams, or are breaching client confidentiality -- long list.

With regard to my own issue, I felt that to pursue it would mean at most, a slap on the wrist of the errant coach, and, probably the further black balling of myself.

When I expressed doubt that this field can be successfully self-governed, they did not seem to understand what I was talking about.

Your mention of the absence of complaints accessible in a Google search is very interesting. I have been surprised by this, as well, in that I am aware of many corporate coaching cock-ups, and many coaches who have complained of accreditation scams. I would say that the field is subtly coercive. People are afraid to complain because they feel they will not receive further assignments from the vast tier of middle men who are in league with the ICF.

I did consult an attorney about what could be done. It was her opinion that it would be difficult for coaches to prevail in a suit against the ICF. Such organizations tend to be able to rationalize their existence if certification results in any work, for any coach. She felt that a corporate buyer would be better positioned to bring suit for professional misconduct issues, but these would likely involve individual coaches, would not be seen as systemic to the ICF.

Where I think the ICF is VERY vulnerable lies in its duplicitous concealment of its origins. I had to search obscure coaching journals, and internal presentations to understand the organization's history. Note, I one of the ICF 'compliance' officers, ""hat is your understanding of this history of the ICF?" No answer was forthcoming.

Also, their training and certification process is based on NO research, whatsoever. To my knowledge, there have been no studies that compare ICF coaching 'technology' to other approaches. They have not, until very recently had psychologists involved in their leadership. The are "the gold standard of coaching" because they say they are "the gold standard of coaching."

Other actionable item may relate to what you, I think, observed in another post...that being the use of LGAT-type thought reform technologies in training programs. I believe that many ICF-affiliated coach training programs employ these and w/o benefit of informed consent. Of course, no one would participate if they were 'informed'.

I would TRULY like to do something about this state of affairs. While I think matters are very bad, indeed, on the life coaching side, they are worse for corporate coaching clients, many of whom have little control over whether they participate in a coaching program. "Here is your ICF-accredited coach, Mr. Tanaka. He is an expert in NLP, neuroscience, and epigentics..." Again, no informed consent.

My research partner, who is a product of MIT, and the Harvard Brain Lab, believes the whole coaching field is WILDLY DISHONEST, and, also would like to do something about it.

Bakkagirl

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