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corboy
Again, correct me if I am taking things too far.
If (and here I want to stress the 'if') -- if, the actual point of assigned tasks is not to get the tasks done but to set a situation where members are to be rebuked, then there is no way one can ever do ones work to the satisifaction of the leader.
What satisfies the supervisor is shaming the volunteer, not getting the task done?
A shame ridden person is more amenable to indoctrination. And in a group already bound by shame, a confident person would create discord, remind them of what they have lost.
Robbing someone of confidence and getting them to feel shame would boost the group solidarity.
All these are just speculations on my part. I am an outsider. Only insiders, especially those who were once supervisors, would know if these hunches of mine are accurate--or not.
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Hitch
Byakuren, Ikeda Kayo-Kai, $oka-han, Gajokai, ... all of these stupid names are just that, silly names given to manufactured groups with The Gakkai CULT Org. "YOUTH!" division, created for the sole purpose of manipulating and CONTROLLING (in gakkai cult-speak = "training") its most vulnerable members...
Keep in mind, our "official" $oka-han uniforms were white pants, white long-sleeved shirts, red N$A ties, white or black shoes and a light blue windbreaker with a $oka-han Cult Secret Service Wanna-be Agent logo on the left breast area. Only the top cult $oka-han got the walkie-talkies and ear-pieces. Your average $oka-han's weapons were your flashlight, juzu-beads in your pocket and "faith" for Cousin Rufus. Lots of YMD, $oka-han amongst them, had tell-tale little yellow spots in the zipper area of their usually dirty cult uniform. Why? Because when you did have time to go to the bathroom, you did it just like everything else when you are a cult-org slave --> on the run, & quickly.
The gakkai cult org's charter says something about respecting "human dignity." Well, as is always the case, more hypocritical duality in the way things really are in reality in the gakkai cult org..
- Hitch
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corboy
Maybe (we need some former high ranking insiders who can tell us if I am taking this too far) --Maybe there are instructions given to find something, anything, to make a member feel shame, so that he or she can be shifted off balance.
The Japanese WD (Women's Division) were the queens of this kind of stuff. Info. was usually obtained either by a) direct, unannounced, spy, home-invasion-visitations or b) by "confidential" personal guidance sessions with senior "leaders." The Japanese WD are the proverbial flies-on-the-wall for the gakkai cult org.. They *live* for this kind of stuff and all the juicy gossip that goes with it. They were the "go to" gakkai gestapo with the dirty trick information bag.Quote
corboy
A shame ridden person is more amenable to indoctrination. And in a group already bound by shame, a confident person would create discord, remind them of what they have lost.
Robbing someone of confidence and getting them to feel shame would boost the group solidarity.
I've found the gakkai cult org. merely to be an extension of the Japanese mindset and group herd mentality. The cult org. just takes it much, much further and uses it in completely evil and controlling ways.
- Hitch
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I learnt very quickly never to say that I felt confident about doing an activity, e.g. stepping up to do m/c, lighting a candle, leading gongyo, etc, etc because I knew from bitter experience that if I did I would probably be accused by one of the leaders or a fellow member of being complacent (huge SGI sin) and that having this arrogant attitude might be creating room for 'the devel of the 6th heaven' to intervene and cause huge sansho shima. So I learnt to always say that I was 'struggling' with this or that activity or that I was having a 'real challenge' with it. A bit manipulative I know, but I couldn't handle all that ear bending and I repeated it so often I ended up believing it most of the time - lol.
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I will never forget how I did a great job answering a complex question in third grade. The teacher swatted me down saying too bad I wasnt that good in the subject I was weakest at.
Felt my little soul had been yanked out.
This teacher was soon fired. Word went round she was addicted speed. Nasty minded stance classic of shame ridden addicts.
Because she was full of shame, she couldnt stand to see confidence in the eyes of the little kids in her care. Our vitality probably reminded her of what she'd lost via her own depression and addiction.
Persons sucked dry by shame in SG probably seek to bash down vitality in new members, and for similar motives???
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TaitenAndProud
Back to the video: [www.youtube.com]
I just watched it O_O
First funny point was where the lady in the gray T-shirt is first on camera, maybe 4 seconds in - she's carefully stepping *away* from the older Japanese lady in the red and black who's gyrating to that awful music!
It was "SGI-Arcadia" - where is this? Another thing that amazed me about that video is that virtually *all* the people there are Japanese! Since it's SGI, it's *not* in Japan - this is somewhere other than the Japanese motherland. But here we have almost exclusively Japanese members!
A sign of the times? That was uploaded in 2009 - I was *done* with SGI by then, so I don't know what's happened to the demographics of the membership.
Is it bad if I laughed HARD out loud? I went to watch this half expecting to find it being a video of me at WPG. While I didn't oh so clearly wear disdain on my face like her (bravo!) that was me pretty much every time we had something like this, looking bored as hell.Quote
Hitch
You can either laugh, cry or give respect after watching the following clip [www.youtube.com].
I give my respect to the lady in the front, wearing a gray t-shirt, off to the left side of the room when the camera pans around (she shows up a few times, at 0:25 seconds, 1:13, and 2:14 minute marks, before they stop including her in the pan around).
I know exactly how she feels. Bless her heart. My respect goes out to her for having the courage to not partake in the behavior regressing and thought-stopping cult org. rituals. There's always one or two in the crowd (thank goodness).
- Hitch