Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
SGBye
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Date: June 05, 2012 01:36AM
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Hitch
Not sure if this has been posted before, but it is a YouTube clip created by the New York cult members to try and get the phantom leader to make an appearance (from back in 2010, around the time of his disappearance?):
[www.youtube.com]
Hitch, you always find some great videos on Youtube (and by “great” I mean “disturbing” of course). This one really takes the cake. Can you imagine what these people could accomplish if they directed all of that enthusiasm and energy towards something constructive? Hundreds (thousands?) of SGI members have been chanting continuously and obsessively for their dear old “Sensei” to return to America for well over a decade and it still hasn’t produced results. And I know all the excuses that their local leaders give them for that: “Your chanting isn’t sincere enough to reach Sensei‘s heart!,” “We must accomplish our own human revolution before Sensei will heed our call!,” “Only when we break through our fundamental darkness and overcome our karma will Sensei come back to America!” If any current SGI members are reading this, these are not valid reasons for why Ikeda hasn’t returned. These are frail standard excuses that can be applied towards anything that you’re chanting for that hasn’t come to fruition. There are more valid reasons for why Ikeda hasn’t made it back to these shores: maybe he’s too ill and frail, maybe he’s already passed on, maybe he’s just not interested, or maybe he isn’t allowed entry into the U.S. for some reason that’s been covered up well and we don’t even know about (doubt it, but not entirely out of the question).
BTW, some of the feedback comments on the New York video rival the clip itself in its over-the-top, koo-koo-for-Kosen Rufu insanity.
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
SGBye
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Date: June 05, 2012 01:42AM
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evergreen
OK so I get home and get this note HI......so and so and I stopped by after Kofu to say hi and encourage you to make a may 3rd contrubution to show your appreciation to the gohonzon and sgi. Ill call you later today. I'm leaving 2 envelopes in case so and so (my kid) would like to contribute also
They’re heavily going after the childrens money this year, aren’t they? Well, gotta teach them early to have appreciation for the mentor I guess. They’re sowing the seeds now to guarantee them a lifetime of contributions from the “young lions.”
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
Hitch
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Date: June 05, 2012 04:04AM
There's another very revealing portion contained in this clip posted earlier [www.youtube.com]. At ~2:40 min. mark, between the songs that the brass band is playing, the guy filming can be overheard saying:
"What's the name of this center? What's the name of this center?" Somebody answers, "The area is Tochigi." He then yells in pretty bad Japanese, "Tochigi is the NUMBER ONE COOLEST PLACE!!!!!"
He wasn't even sure of the name of the place/area he was at two seconds ago. Suddenly, it's the best place on Earth.
Can you believe this guy?!? I'm sure he sees nothing at all wrong with it.
IMO, this is TYPICAL gakkai cult feigned enthusiasm (insert: for anything & everything), ingratiating lying and meaningless adolescent cheering that is constantly done by so-called "leaders."
I also choose to view it as another behavior, it's called manipulation (this is a case of so-called positive manipulation, but there is also a negative version - as many ex-members here are unfortunately all too familiar with).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2012 04:05AM by Hitch.
"What's the name of this center? What's the name of this center?" Somebody answers, "The area is Tochigi." He then yells in pretty bad Japanese, "Tochigi is the NUMBER ONE COOLEST PLACE!!!!!"
He wasn't even sure of the name of the place/area he was at two seconds ago. Suddenly, it's the best place on Earth.
Can you believe this guy?!? I'm sure he sees nothing at all wrong with it.
IMO, this is TYPICAL gakkai cult feigned enthusiasm (insert: for anything & everything), ingratiating lying and meaningless adolescent cheering that is constantly done by so-called "leaders."
I also choose to view it as another behavior, it's called manipulation (this is a case of so-called positive manipulation, but there is also a negative version - as many ex-members here are unfortunately all too familiar with).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2012 04:05AM by Hitch.
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
Shavoy
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Date: June 05, 2012 04:31AM
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SGByeQuote
Hitch
Not sure if this has been posted before, but it is a YouTube clip created by the New York cult members to try and get the phantom leader to make an appearance (from back in 2010, around the time of his disappearance?):
[www.youtube.com]
Hitch, you always find some great videos on Youtube (and by “great” I mean “disturbing” of course). This one really takes the cake. Can you imagine what these people could accomplish if they directed all of that enthusiasm and energy towards something constructive? Hundreds (thousands?) of SGI members have been chanting continuously and obsessively for their dear old “Sensei” to return to America for well over a decade and it still hasn’t produced results. And I know all the excuses that their local leaders give them for that: “Your chanting isn’t sincere enough to reach Sensei‘s heart!,” “We must accomplish our own human revolution before Sensei will heed our call!,” “Only when we break through our fundamental darkness and overcome our karma will Sensei come back to America!” If any current SGI members are reading this, these are not valid reasons for why Ikeda hasn’t returned. These are frail standard excuses that can be applied towards anything that you’re chanting for that hasn’t come to fruition. There are more valid reasons for why Ikeda hasn’t made it back to these shores: maybe he’s too ill and frail, maybe he’s already passed on, maybe he’s just not interested, or maybe he isn’t allowed entry into the U.S. for some reason that’s been covered up well and we don’t even know about (doubt it, but not entirely out of the question).
BTW, some of the feedback comments on the New York video rival the clip itself in its over-the-top, koo-koo-for-Kosen Rufu insanity.
Excuse the Shout Mode...BUT THIS IS CRAZINESS! The reasons given are nuts and only serve to make sincere members feel lower than low--not WINNERS!, but LOSERS, trying not to crawl back into the "Fundamental Darkness" hole.
And speaking of "WINNING!", what's up with the heavy emphasis on that?
"Buddhism is win or lose. There is no middle ground". This message is used frequently. Talk about making sincere members feel like more poop, if they "lose".
Anyone wants to give an opinion on the "WINNING"! , please do!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2012 04:40AM by Shavoy.
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
Hitch
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Date: June 05, 2012 04:58AM
Just wanted to add, a while back I mentioned that the official Japanese cult propaganda newspaper, The Seikyo Shimbun, sports a special kiddie edition (Lion Cubs/Baby Lions). There is also a teenager version titled "The Future", which is, of course, the same principle, only customized to a different age appropriate level. These are supplements that have to be requested (i.e., they basically TELL you to take them if you have kids) and paid for, in addition to the regular subscription dues. Just another way to brainwash and extract more money from the membership.
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This is for SGBye -
On this video posted earlier [www.youtube.com], at the ~0:15 second mark, pause the video and get a gander at the "gold" emblem on top of the mini-gakkai-cult flag. It's a "V", as in VICTORY! (HAHA!)
I'm glad you enjoy the video clips. This kind of stuff, the little things, have always bothered me regarding members/leaders/the cult. I'm just happy to have an opportunity to point some of this all out and share with other like minded survivors of the mind game. Also, perhaps others will begin to open their eyes (pun intended), to this pseudo-religious cult.
Incidentally, this guy, Alphonzo, is probably the head of NY's creative arts dept.. I also think he might have had a lot to do with that sensei clip above (one of the rare gakkai cult clips that even allows comments, because I'm sure he wants the feedback). Here's another video of his [www.youtube.com]. The fact that he was rewarded with a training trip to Japan, pretty much says how much the cult "values" (translation: wants to use him) his efforts (if he isn't already a salaried leader in some form).
I find these clips immensely revealing.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2012 05:03AM by Hitch.
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This is for SGBye -
On this video posted earlier [www.youtube.com], at the ~0:15 second mark, pause the video and get a gander at the "gold" emblem on top of the mini-gakkai-cult flag. It's a "V", as in VICTORY! (HAHA!)
I'm glad you enjoy the video clips. This kind of stuff, the little things, have always bothered me regarding members/leaders/the cult. I'm just happy to have an opportunity to point some of this all out and share with other like minded survivors of the mind game. Also, perhaps others will begin to open their eyes (pun intended), to this pseudo-religious cult.
Incidentally, this guy, Alphonzo, is probably the head of NY's creative arts dept.. I also think he might have had a lot to do with that sensei clip above (one of the rare gakkai cult clips that even allows comments, because I'm sure he wants the feedback). Here's another video of his [www.youtube.com]. The fact that he was rewarded with a training trip to Japan, pretty much says how much the cult "values" (translation: wants to use him) his efforts (if he isn't already a salaried leader in some form).
I find these clips immensely revealing.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2012 05:03AM by Hitch.
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
Hitch
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Date: June 05, 2012 05:11AM
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Shavoy
Excuse the Shout Mode...BUT THIS IS CRAZINESS! The reasons given are nuts and only serve to make sincere members feel lower than low--not WINNERS!, but LOSERS, trying not to crawl back into the "Fundamental Darkness" hole.
And speaking of "WINNING!", what's up with the heavy emphasis on that?
"Buddhism is win or lose. There is no middle ground". This message is used frequently. Talk about making sincere members feel like more poop, if they "lose".
Anyone wants to give an opinion on the "WINNING"! , please do!
IMO, they (the cult) will just make up some lie as an excuse to explain it all away. Then, the members will just shake it all off and out of their heads, before mindlessly moving on to support the next manufactured "campaign", full throttle, full speed ahead. No thinking really required (for many), unfortunately.
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
Hitch
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Date: June 05, 2012 08:47AM
Protesting against the gakkai cult in Japan:
[www.youtube.com] (Yes, that's a homemade Ikeda mask they are wearing.)
You don't have to be able to understand Japanese to get the gist of what is happening here. These protestors began at Shinanomachi Station and have the balls to take their protest (with Police escort) all the way to the gakkai HQ, while members are arriving for a big meeting. The "men in black" are gakkai handlers "protecting" the members. At one point, the main protester even crosses the MIB barrier (~6:15 min. mark) to hand out (anti-) Ikeda pamphlets. The cop even has to get the gakkai handlers to let him through. At one point, a gakkai handler (identifiable by their gold lapel pins) tries to saddle up to his immediate right side, before being replaced by a police officer there to enforce the protester's right to demonstrate (free speech, etc.).
Click around randomly on some of the other related content videos for lots more anti-gakkai-cult protests/events. Here is some direct evidence as how well "liked" the gakkai cult is in Japan. International members should wake up and educate themselves about this cult.
(Btw, big meetings in Japan usually have soka handlers manning all of the crosswalks and corners in all directions for blocks surrounding the building that they are meeting at. They become more numerous as you get closer to the building. These handlers even control regular citizens who might just happen to be walking in the area at the same time. "Don't cross here. Please wait. Please stop. Please proceed. Welcome." Blah-blah-blah. They often are wearing security two-way earpieces or have handheld walkie-talkies.)
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2012 09:07AM by Hitch.
[www.youtube.com] (Yes, that's a homemade Ikeda mask they are wearing.)
You don't have to be able to understand Japanese to get the gist of what is happening here. These protestors began at Shinanomachi Station and have the balls to take their protest (with Police escort) all the way to the gakkai HQ, while members are arriving for a big meeting. The "men in black" are gakkai handlers "protecting" the members. At one point, the main protester even crosses the MIB barrier (~6:15 min. mark) to hand out (anti-) Ikeda pamphlets. The cop even has to get the gakkai handlers to let him through. At one point, a gakkai handler (identifiable by their gold lapel pins) tries to saddle up to his immediate right side, before being replaced by a police officer there to enforce the protester's right to demonstrate (free speech, etc.).
Click around randomly on some of the other related content videos for lots more anti-gakkai-cult protests/events. Here is some direct evidence as how well "liked" the gakkai cult is in Japan. International members should wake up and educate themselves about this cult.
(Btw, big meetings in Japan usually have soka handlers manning all of the crosswalks and corners in all directions for blocks surrounding the building that they are meeting at. They become more numerous as you get closer to the building. These handlers even control regular citizens who might just happen to be walking in the area at the same time. "Don't cross here. Please wait. Please stop. Please proceed. Welcome." Blah-blah-blah. They often are wearing security two-way earpieces or have handheld walkie-talkies.)
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2012 09:07AM by Hitch.
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
Nichijew
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Date: June 05, 2012 09:09AM
The Sokanuts have to protect the members from those dangerous desperados. They remind me of men in black sans a sense of humor.
Nichijew
Nichijew
Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by:
SGBye
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Date: June 05, 2012 10:32AM
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Hitch
This is for SGBye -
On this video posted earlier [www.youtube.com], at the ~0:15 second mark, pause the video and get a gander at the "gold" emblem on top of the mini-gakkai-cult flag. It's a "V", as in VICTORY! (HAHA!)
Oh, man… Out of all the SGI buzzwords, I think the one that begins with the letter “V” is the one I loathe the most (I can’t even bring myself to spell it out anymore!).
And I’ve known soooo many guys like this Alphonzo character it’s not even funny. These guys are so far gone into the organization that it’s pretty much impossible to have a normal conversation with them. Whatever comes out of their mouth is always peppered with SGI buzzwords and catchphrases to convince you and themselves how much they’re “struggling and fighting to win every day!!!” Their natural habitat is their local kaikan, at which they can be seen at 7 days a week.
Re: SGI members, Shakubuku family and friends over the holidays!
Posted by:
Hitch
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Date: June 06, 2012 02:17PM
Was perusing some of the older posts on this thread and came across this interesting one from AntiCult:
Once again, just wanted to state as fact that AntiCult is, yet again, correct, regarding how street shakubuku was done.
New or reluctant members were placed into little groups that always had at least a couple of bold front leaders with a proven track record for getting "guests." You hit the streets, the corners, in neighborhoods - door to door, and went right up to strangers in a very confident, happy (feigned) and direct manner. You learned by watching them repeat the process and then were eventually pushed forward to do it yourself, with them falling back to support you. If things started to go bad, then they took over again. It was definitely done by modeling.
The cult organization that I remember and grew up in was essentially obsessed with shakubuku. Every meeting, every speech, and just about every other word out of Williams' (Sandanaga) mouth was "shakubuku, shakubuku, shakubuku." It was pushed constantly, way too much and way over the top for my tastes. I never bought into it and was sick of hearing about it all the time, too. Some of the darkest manipulation that I ever had the misfortune to witness in the cult also occurred when people were forced to do random shakubuku, were reluctant, or didn't want to. It always reeked of desperation to me and went completely against what I thought a genuine religion should be about.
This is all strictly from the members' side/perspective. Just think about much worse it was from the "target." Feigned attention for your happiness and welfare one minute, then you are almost completely forgotten and neglected then next minute (right after you join). It was painfully obvious that it was all purely a numbers game.
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Well that is interesting, some sects give very specific instruction on how to do street pick-ups.
It would take an Ex-SGI Leader to come forward and tell about how they were trained to manage the SGI streeters, as SGI has a system of how to deal with new people who get brought in.
But again, SGI is very smart. They keep it simple.
The SGI Leader orders people to go out and pick-up some people off the street.
One would assume the SGI leader praises those who bring back the bacon, and shames those who don't.
So then SGI members start to lie to people, to get them to come back with them.
There are posts in this thread, of how a group of SGI people would DECEIVE someone, by telling them they are going somewhere else, and then take that person to an SGI recruitment meeting.
Its very interesting how dishonesty becomes commonplace in these sects like SGI. Many of the average members would think lying is wrong, yet they lie lie lie to get people to attend a meeting. Or they distort, misrepresent, manipulate.
What is very interesting, is some SGI people who have tried to recruit others, when asked about this, don't even say they are doing for the other person's good. They have openly said they are doing it for THEIR OWN KARMA. The first time I heard that, I was floored by the selfishness of that statement. They literally said they recruit people to SGI for their OWN Karma, that is, so they can have more of what they want in their lives.
SGI just panders to that level of human self-centeredness.
But again, SGI is very diabolically smart. They know its a numbers game, its a meat market. Bring in the numbers, and a certain % of those people will join.
That is how SGI makes the millions and billions. Pump and dump, they just churn people through.
There have to be former SGI Leaders who have quit, who can go into the great detail of the advanced training they take on how to recruit new people brought in.
The SGI-USA website is full of techniques and strategies.
It looks like SGI uses "modeling" (which is an NLP term) to show others how to do things. That is, you copy those who are higher up the food chain than you are.
That way, you only know what SGI wants you to know at each level.
SGI is very very smart how they run their operation.
Once again, just wanted to state as fact that AntiCult is, yet again, correct, regarding how street shakubuku was done.
New or reluctant members were placed into little groups that always had at least a couple of bold front leaders with a proven track record for getting "guests." You hit the streets, the corners, in neighborhoods - door to door, and went right up to strangers in a very confident, happy (feigned) and direct manner. You learned by watching them repeat the process and then were eventually pushed forward to do it yourself, with them falling back to support you. If things started to go bad, then they took over again. It was definitely done by modeling.
The cult organization that I remember and grew up in was essentially obsessed with shakubuku. Every meeting, every speech, and just about every other word out of Williams' (Sandanaga) mouth was "shakubuku, shakubuku, shakubuku." It was pushed constantly, way too much and way over the top for my tastes. I never bought into it and was sick of hearing about it all the time, too. Some of the darkest manipulation that I ever had the misfortune to witness in the cult also occurred when people were forced to do random shakubuku, were reluctant, or didn't want to. It always reeked of desperation to me and went completely against what I thought a genuine religion should be about.
This is all strictly from the members' side/perspective. Just think about much worse it was from the "target." Feigned attention for your happiness and welfare one minute, then you are almost completely forgotten and neglected then next minute (right after you join). It was painfully obvious that it was all purely a numbers game.
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