I wandered into Rafiq Bulent's Oriental bookshop and coversation with the proprietor led on to an introduction to a junior representative of a secretive Ouspenskyite Study Group. He met me outside the London Planetarium and, as we walked through Regents Park on a bright clear day, he cross - questioned me about my background and the seriousness of my motives. As he did so, I began to get some notion of the people he represented, who were mostly smart and wealthy. In the sixties esotericism was popular among members of the upper class.
"After this vetting, I was vetted again by Dr Rolles (Joyce Colin - Smith spells the name 'Roles') a former disciple of Ouspenksy before I was permitted to attend a Mevlevi dervish ritual performed by Westerners somewhere in the Barons Court area.
(Irwin who later became proficient in Arabic studies, tells us that the dances at Konya are performed for the tourists. The real Mevlevis are exiles in Syria and Cyprus.)
Memoirs of a Dervish. 155-156
I met J G Bennett several times at Shereborne House in the Cotswalds. He dressed in tweeds. By then in his seventies, he was balding and a little vague, and he seemed to doze off when anyone except himself was holding forth. But his eyes were those of a mad Indian Army colonel, or like the falcon Cully in TH White's novel, THe Once and Future King.
Frequent experiences of finding himself out of his body had persuaded Bennett that there was more to the universe than conventional understanding allowed. He had met Gurdjieff in Istanbul after the First World War and he was eventually appointed to be his deputy in Britain and later his literary executor. Later in life he successively indiscriminately embraced Subud, Transcendental Meditation, Idries Shah's version of Sufism, and, ultimately Catholicism. Pages 210--212
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Are you sure Triodos are linked to this stuff, and how heavily?
I’ve just been to look at their website to see what they invest in, and I see they have given a loan to one Steiner school. However, if that’s it, that’s not really a big enough link. Co-op might well do the same thing, given that as far as I’m aware Co-op members only decide what they won’t invest in, not who they will invest in.
I don’t have an account with Triodos as I don’t have anything much in the way of savings and prefer to use a local credit union, but my impression always was that even Co-op and Triodos were likely to invest in some things I’d disapprove of, but either much less than your average bank.
2:16 pm, July 24, 200927. From Germany with love
“Thebee” is the guy who manipulated English wikipedia.
This is why he advertises his work, quote:
“As such it is natural that it gives a clearly twisted picture of Steiner Waldorf education. For a more well founded description, including a survey of research on it, see [en.wikipedia.org] “
2:29 pm, July 24, 200928. Nick Nakorn
Indeed, I recently applied to Triodos for some business funding and only found out a few weeks ago, by accident, that it was an Anthroposophical organisation. (By the way, I have no idea if they approved my application or not because they haven’t yet replied, so I’m not a disgruntled customer). Andrew Bibby writes:
” Triodos’s roots (like the UK bank Mercury Provident which it took over in 1995) are in the anthroposophy movement. The term refers to the ideas of the Austrian spiritualist thinker Rudolf Steiner who died in 1925 and whose interests included education, ‘biodynamic’ agriculture, eurythmy (movement as art) and therapeutic medicine. Triodos Bank’s statutes committed it to anthroposophical principles until 1999 when this formal link was dropped, and in recent years the bank under its current head Peter Blom has embarked on a policy of reaching out beyond Steiner adherents and of broadening its appeal. Nevertheless Triodos’s origins are reflected in the fact that most of the Dutch directors come from within anthroposophy, and Triodos continues to be the banker for many Steiner-inspired projects.
The bank describes itself as a ‘transparent bank’ and spells out in detail all the UK ventures in which the bank has given overdrafts or loans in a sixteen-page brochure ‘Inspiring Change’. However Triodos has to overcome something of a problem of transparency in its own structure. Behind the single Triodos brand is a parallel legal structure in the Netherlands: Triodos Bank NV is legally separate from Triodos Holding NV, which operates as an international fund manager, provides microcredit in developing countries, and runs a significant venture capital operation in the Netherlands. The two companies are ultimately both controlled by Foundations, with strong roots in anthroposophy and with overlapping membership. The Bank’s Foundation issues dividend-earning but non-voting ‘depository receipts’ which are held partly by private investors but also by a number of Dutch commercial companies. ”
the above two paragraphs from:
Last week, I acessed an official page from a Triodos website that explained their anthroposophical position. I note now that it does not seem to come up in searches. I expect it has been removed. But until Triodos publically denounce Steiner as racist mystic nonsense, I would assume that they still have a Steiner agenda. It is most worrying to think that many of the fine and supportable clients have their banking controlled by people who believe in Anthroposophy – it’s the kind of leverage any other religious or political movement would surely love to have.
2:38 pm, July 24, 200929. Nick Nakorn
ok, found a similar page to the one I accessed before:
“Steiner’s philosophy – anthroposophy, or wisdom of the human being – can be applied to many areas of life. Triodos Bank itself has strong anthroposophical roots, but has developed a much broader remit – to support any positive enterprises that benefit people and the environment. Sharing a similar philosophical background makes the relationship between Triodos Bank and Kings Langley that much more special.”
So they let slip that Steiner’s philosophy is at the root and imply that their clients are positive by virtue of similarity – a scarily devious tactic designed to bring many mainstream organisations into the Steiner fold; such as Oxfam, Amnesty International etc.. Has the world gone completely mad? Well, yes.
2:57 pm, July 24, 200930. Chris
a very interesting site in german:
“Nachrichten aus der Welt der Anthroposophie”
3:00 pm, July 24, 200931. tim f
Thanks, Nick. Interesting and concerning. Delving a bit deeper it looks like some of the health organisations they’ve funded specialise in homeopathy, too.
I’m not sure it puts Triodos completely beyond the pale as they clearly invest in a number of worthy projects and it is possible for savers even at the lowest level to specify what areas they want their money invested in (so if I ever was to open an account with them it’d be clear that neither education nor health should not be one of those areas). I’m not sure what you mean in terms of “leverage” – how could Triodos influence, say, a housing co-op or housing association by lending them money? (Genuine question.)
3:01 pm, July 24, 200932. The Polecat
Paraphrased from a posting on Unity’s MoT…….
thedrone (which I prefer to thebee) is Captain Control Freak of anthroposphy.
thedrone, Sune Nordwall, is a bizarre bloody smorgasbord indeed, with one of the GREAT and unique websites.
It starts with the proud exhortation that he has spent 35 years trying to understand and investigate anthroposophy. 35 years!?!? Highly commendable, old boy. You must be headed for a long-service felted gnome from the incubus of Racist Rudolf the Raving! 35 years fecking years!?!?! 3 minutes was more than enough for my polecat-sized brain to decipher the most concentrated amount of mumbo-jumbo, verbosity, drivel and irrationality dressed up as educational science. Your shite ain’t gonna do any good for educational science, drone. And, drone, I don’t want to get too personal but;you seem to have some serious problems with women (later!). Let me go into a clairvoyant trance;ah, yes….you remind me of the sociopathy of our delusional war-criminal PM, Gordon Brown, an idiot savant with the soul of a nodding Jesus and the wisdom of buffalo bollocks.
Notwithstanding his bonkers website, it seems that Sune is a cyberstalker – redolent with Anthrobabble – with a default position of vexatiousness if he cannot win arguments on forum sites. I gather he appears on sites often under a female guise and stalks anti-Steiner posters (usually women) and posts interminable doctrinal links. thedrone (and/or his legal flea Percy Bratt) then threaten legal bollocks against the site and ALL discussion is terminated and traces of the forum are destroyed. Jolly unsporting, I say!
So, let us raise any number of fingers in salute to thedrone, the idiot savant of Anthros and Anthrobollocks.
Too many children and parents have suffered for too long with this deceptive and dangerous ersatz education. The Anti-Steiner movement is gathering pace and the House of Steiner needs to be razed to the ground!!!
Sharpening my claws and smelling blood
3:34 pm, July 24, 200933. Nick Nakorn
If Triodos did not like your criticism of Steiner, they could recall the loan early and put you out of business.
Imagine the world in 10 to 30 years time – peak oil is over and oil is in rapid decline; governments are all in hoc; the banking sector – other than the ethical banking sector – is in terminal meltdown. Being risk-averse, the ethical banking sector becomes The Only Reliable Banking Sector. If a political cult can control banking and thus everyone’s money, you either can be nice to the cult or suffer the consequences.
Conventional banks, wedded to Capitalism and Consumerism do that sort of thing all the time and though they might be just as unethical as Steiner and much more unethical than Triodos (at the moment), they don’t have an insane dead guru at the helm. Adam Smith may have been wrong about a few crucial things, as was Marx, but compared to Steiner they were intellectual giants – compared to most of us come to that.
I was happy being fooled by Triodos – I’ve recommended them to many people over the years. Anthroposophists are intellectually dishonest. Capitalist usually are quite open about their capitalism and so one knows where one stands. The Steiner project is, by contrast, busy denying that it thinks what it thinks.
Hey! found an internal Triodos doc on the net from May this year:
” Information from the Board
Philip Martyn’s tenure comes to an end this year
and he is not seeking reappointment. Over the past
few years, Philip has provided a uk perspective to
the board; personal input that is backed by
consider able banking knowledge and experience.
He has strong ties with anthroposophy, which also
inspired the founders of Triodos Bank, and which
linked him to Mercury Provident Plc, the predecessor
of the uk branch of Triodos Bank. The Board is
very grateful for Philip’s contribution as member of
the Board of saat.:”
3:36 pm, July 24, 200934. Nick Nakorn
“was NOT happy being fooled” Doh
3:48 pm, July 24, 200935. tim f
Good points, and fair enough. At any rate, I would rather have my very limited savings in a Credit Union over Triodos, because that way rather than going to some middle-class person’s pet project (however worthy) my money is likely to be used to assist people on low-incomes in my community & stop them having to visit loansharks on an emergency basis. Plus I think it’s good to have a diversity of ethical & risk-averse financial institutions in the banking sector rather than a couple of big ones.
3:55 pm, July 24, 200936. Shatterface
‘As a Green voter, I’m attempting to do just that through my local Green Party, particularly in reference to Steiner’s racism:’
Enjoying your posts Nick, but as a Green voter how active are you in tackling your own party’s attachment to pseudoscience?
There are many of us with Green sympathies who recognise the party’s contribution to environmentalism and in spearheading the fight against climate change and admire their attempts to move away from hierarchical organisation but find ourselves gasping at their crankier policies (‘alternative’ medicine, objections to genetic research, etc).
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Page 1 of 1GMSS Newsletter – March 06WelcomeHello everyone and welcome to the new format for our newsletter. This new format reflects the enlarged enterprise team created by signing the Memorandum of Understanding(MOU) between Borneo International, PT Immasdikha and Ravindran Veerasamy (reported last newsletter).A Name from Ibu RahayuThe other important reason for the change offormat is that Ibu Rahayu has given a name forthe project, and eventually, for the foreigninvestment company that is being established inIndonesia to own and operate the palm oilplantation. The name is Gunung Mas SumberSejahtera. Gunung Mas (meaning Mountain of Gold) is theregion of Central Kalimantan in which the palmoil plantation is situated. The name thereforemeans: Gunung Mas Source of Prosperity.We are very grateful to Ibu for this name andhope that we can follow the right path to bringthis enterprise to fruition in a way that benefitsthe people of Kalimantan as well as investors.The Enterprise TeamWe have been asked to provide moreinformation on the GMSS project team. Pak Muchtarudin Siregar1969-88 Head of BAPPENAS, the NationalPlanningbodyinIndonesia;1964-72Researcher, National Institute of Economic &Social Research, Indonesian Institute of Science; 1992–98 Secretary General, Dept of Transport;1980–94 Chairman, PT Indosat; 1995–98Chairman, Garuda Indonesia; 1999–presentChairman, Merpati Nusantara Airlines. He is therecipient of several national and foreign awards.Pak Dikke SiregarRavindran VeerasamyMost recently Ravi held the position of RegionalController for the world’s largest palm oil producer. InJanuary this year, Ravi agreed to act as GeneralManager - Plantations for the Project.Mursalin Newsawmills, agricultural equipment, local materialsconstruction and palm oil technology.Freeman WylliePak Siregar graduated inEconomics from University ofIndonesia in 1963 andcompleted graduate study atChicago, Indiana & Vender-bilt Universities in the USA.Hisdistinguishedcareerincludes:Ravi is a Subud member and oilpalm plantation senior executivewith 23 years experience in thepalm oil industry. His experienceincludes rubber, cocoa and forestryplantations including many years ofplantationmanagementinKalimantan. Freemanholdsdegreesineconomics, arts and education. Asuniversity lecturer and managementconsultant, he has 30 yearsexperience in public and privatesector management including BidManagement, Client Management,Transition & Program Management.Mursalin is an engineer with 25yearsexperienceinruralcommunity projects and small-scaleindustry development in the AsiaPacificregion,micro-hydroelectricity and water supplies, socialforestry & manufacture of portableNewsletter – March 2006What’s the Use of Palm Oil ?See page 3 for a comprehensive list of uses.Dikke is a graduate of RochesterInstitute of Technology in New York(Bachelor of Science in MechanicalEngineering). He is a Director of PTImmasdikha and recently moved toRungan Sari with his family. He andhis staff manage the day-to-dayaffairs of his company’s interests onthe Tumbung Jutuh land proposedfor the plantation.
Page 2 of 2GMSS Newsletter – March 06Since we last wrote …In Search of Microcredit – A Project Brief and Initial Funding Application for USD80,000 has been preparedto assist patchouli smallholders near Rungan Sari. Michael Heaslip from IHEF is assisting by approaching theTriodos (Rudolf Steiner) Bank in Europe. If successful, the funds will provide farmer microcredit and co-opworking capital for the 27-member patchouli oil smallholder co-operative based around Rungan Sari. The co-op has been operating for about three years.Associate Membership of SDI – One of the GMSS project partners, Borneo International, hasbecome an associate member of Susila Dharma International (SDI). Membership will give usaccess to funding and expertise in the social and humanitarian aspects of our project. SDI hasalready assisted us with distributing proposals and in identifying contacts for overseas enquiriesfor assistance.Why the Focus on Smallholders?There are several reasons. Firstly, it is a legal requirement inIndonesia that plantations include asmallholder component. It is there-fore important that this part of ourbusiness is well understood andmanaged. Secondly, an effective smallholdersystem could become an importantaspect of the business’s futuregrowth. In New Guinea, the coffeeindustry has evolved from aplantation model to a moreproductive smallholder model. Thirdly, for environmental, socialand commercial reasons, ourplantation will not be a monoculturethat only grows oil palm. We willintroduce multicropping - a networkof garden plots, fishponds, hydro-ponics, chicken pens, rubber,patchouli and orchards. These willproduce food for local consumptionand export and increase landproductivity.Fourthly, it is part of our Corporateand Social Responsibility (CSR)program to be aware of widercommunity issues. Smallholderdevelopments in palm oil and otheragricultural products, such asrubber and patchouli, are animportant aspect of the Kalimantancommunity and economy.Ravi on the Job – As General Manager, Plantations, Ravi hasalready started work on preparing start-up scenarios andobtaining quotations for survey work and oil palm seeds.Although he does not officially start working with the projectuntil 1 April, this work is central to preparing detailed businessplans. He is currently spending some well-earned time with hiswife and two children in Kuala Lumpur. Funding permitting, wewill be meeting up with Ravi and the team in Kali in April.AppointmenttoRSPOSmallholderTaskforce–Smallholders are responsible for around 40% of planted palm inMalaysia and Indonesia. Due to a lack of training, they are oftenuncompetitive. The Round Table on Sustainable Palm Oil(RSPO) has responded to this issue by establishing a taskforce.Borneo International has been invited to be a member of theTaskforce and submitted a detailed proposal to their firstmeeting held in February. This appointment will keep us up todate with smallholder developments in the industry. Setting up the Foreign Investment Company - The processof establishing the foreign investment company has started inIndonesia. This company will own and operate the plantationand be the vehicle holding member investments. We areworking towards registration in May.Meeting with Investment Banker – At the AustralianCongress, two Subud brothers introduced us to an investmentbanker. He had previously seen our presentation and wasinterested to have further discussions. We spent several hourswith him and have since met with him again in Sydney. Oncewe complete our business plan, he will prepare a proposal tosecure major funding for the project (approx USD56m). Institute Proposal Gets an Airing - We have prepared amore detailed proposal to establish a Sustainable Land UseInstitute. It has been distributed to RSPO, the Biodiversity andAgricultural Commodities Program (BACP) of the InternationalFinance Corporation (part of World Bank), SDI, IHEF, and alsoto contacts within the DOEN Foundation of Japan.Oz Congress and Spirit of Enterprise - Two presentations were givenat the Subud Oz National Congress and one at the Spirit of Enterprisemeeting that followed Congress in January. It was great to share ourstory to date – one year since the official launch of the project at theprevious Australian Congress. The ‘Spirit of Enterprise’ Meeting was organized by the InternationalHuman Enterprise Fund (IHEF) team. IHEF has been set up to fulfillBapak’s wish for a Subud world bank. The meeting allowed us to shareprojects and gain a deeper understanding of what it means to run anenterprise in Subud. A highly recommended experience.
Page 3 of 3GMSS Newsletter – March 06What’s the Use of Palm Oil ?We are often asked, so here’s theimpressive list:• Cooking oil• Margarine – naturally semi solid (ie nohydrogenation that produces harmfultransfatty acids)• soap, detergent, • candles, • rubber processing, • tin plating • glycerol• presscake for livestock feedAnd then there’s …• oleochemical products – fatty acids,fatty amide, fatty alcohol, methyl ester,metallic soap• biodiesel (less smoke & CO & no SO2) • biolubricant• bioemollient for cosmetics• plasticizer and strengthener for PVCand plastics• bakery shortenings• red palm oil – rich in Vitamin A and E• vanaspati – butter fat (ghee)And there’s more …• palm wine, palm hearts• fronds for thatch, paper• trunks for biomass, particle board• mulch and liquid waste for fertilizer• briquetted charcoal• palm lumberWhat the Markets are Saying…“Mumbai, March 16: Indonesia is all set to overtake Malaysia as the world’s largest producer of palmkernel and palm oil. In the current year, Malaysian palm oil production is expected to drop to 14.8 milliontonne, while Indonesian production is expected to reach 15 million tonne, exceeding Malaysia for the firsttime in history.” (Financial Express, Indonesia)March 15: “IPOs riding on high palm oil prices: Plantation companies are taking advantage of the bullishsentiment over rising crude palm oil (CPO) prices to raise funds in initial public offerings (IPOs).…Shareprices of plantation firms have rallied to outperform the stock market's benchmark index as investors bet onhigher CPO prices.” (Business Times, Malaysia)Biofuels on the move….“High crude oil prices and a European Union-led drive forcleaner and renewable energy have boosted thedevelopment of alternative fuels including ethanol,extracted from corn or sugarcane, and biodiesel, made fromrapeseed, soya or palm oil.Recent interest in biofuels has driven a rally in shares ofMalaysian and Indonesian palm oil plantation companies,sending shares in IOI Corp and Indonesia's Astra AgroLestari to all-time highs. Analysts reckon these plantation stocks stand a goodchance of being re-rated with higher earnings and shareprice forecasts, particularly as the impact of biodiesel onglobal supply and demand for edible oils becomes clearer.”(The Edge Daily, 15 March 2006)Initial Funding Sought The GMSS project is seeking funding of USD 150,000 fromSubud members interested in pioneering the developmentof the palm oil enterprise in Kalimantan. Funds will be used to complete project field and feasibilitystudies, business planning, and the registration of PTGunung Mas Sumber Sejahtera as an Indonesian foreigninvestment company. The Offer Document has been sent to everyone on themailing list and other Subud members around the world. The closing date for applications: Friday 31 March.Want to Contact Us?Mursalin Newmursalin@borneo-international.com+61 2 6677 0089Freeman Wylliefreeman@borneo-international.com+61 2 6677 9457 or 0438 300 450www.borneo-international.comLook forward to hearing from you.