Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: June 15, 2019 11:52AM

Perhaps Gary & Silas are both maneuvering behind the scenes. They're not accustomed to being on opposite sides, as far as I know.

Date: May 14, 2019
Walknntalkn wrote:
I'm eager to hear more about Brazil, Onion. My source there tells me that the split in Monte Siao is a result of the majority of the congregation asking for Silas & Shuma to step down, which your update more or less confirms. However, what is interesting is that Gary has been pushing for this as well, and though he hasn't touched down for some time (he did appear in a "birthday" video that played in service not too long ago), it suggests that a significant portion of the congregation is pro-Hargrave (if anti-Esteves), and that Gary is still pulling strings behind the scenes.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/15/2019 11:55AM by changedagain.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: June 15, 2019 08:30PM

Perhaps Gary & Silas are both maneuvering behind the scenes. They're not accustomed to being on opposite sides, as far as I know.

Date: May 14, 2019
Walknntalkn wrote:
I'm eager to hear more about Brazil, Onion. My source there tells me that the split in Monte Siao is a result of the majority of the congregation asking for Silas & Shuma to step down, which your update more or less confirms. However, what is interesting is that Gary has been pushing for this as well, and though he hasn't touched down for some time (he did appear in a "birthday" video that played in service not too long ago), it suggests that a significant portion of the congregation is pro-Hargrave (if anti-Esteves), and that Gary is still pulling strings behind the scenes.

Wow! This makes sense, in light of the Brazil transition team report that Onion posted a couple of months ago. Gary Hargrave will really throw anybody under the bus in his quest to rule the world.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: June 15, 2019 10:32PM

Reep wrote:
This makes sense, in light of the Brazil transition team report that Onion posted a couple of months ago. Gary Hargrave will really throw anybody under the bus in his quest to rule the world.

Those that are presently praying for him are deluding themselves if they think the loyalty will be reciprocated. If he can find a way to have others take the fall and be held entirely responsible for decades of abuse within TLWF (while he shared the top position with his wife), that he'll do. It appears a significant percentage of the Brazilian fellowship still believes that he is trustworthy and undefiled. If that is the case, they have been conned...and the 'lovebombing' behind the scenes has been effective.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: June 15, 2019 10:43PM

Presenting himself as an international ministry is a smart tactical move. In the many years of writing on this forum, I have never underestimated his cunning and/or ability to destroy rivals.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: June 15, 2019 11:49PM

SunnyFord Wrote:
> I just registered last night but I decided to read
> through the whole forum in October after I read
> through Shalom's post and subsequent comments from
> others. I do remember finding this forum once
> years ago when I left and it helped to read
> through some of it but got busy with babies and
> forgot until Shalom...I think a lot of things will
> be until Shalom for awhile, huh?! Well, I was
> reading yesterday the dictionary of terms you guys
> had put together...I've read most of
> JesusJesusJesus' booklet...I saw the comment way
> back that someone thought there was a list of
> terminology in the 1958 version of the First
> Principles by Robert Stevens. I realized when I
> read that that I might still have my parent's old
> First Principles in the back of my guest room's
> closet and it made me jump up and go look. I had
> completely forgotten that I had anything left in
> the house. I've really not been a part of TLWF for
> maybe 19 years (my heart wasn't in it...except for
> the people) body in it for a few more years
> off and on. So I found it and it was the 1958 copy
> so here is the Terminology, for your viewing
> pleasure:
> THE ANOINTING: In the Old Testament, oil was
> poured on the heads of those set apart for a
> priestly or kingly office by the prophets of God.
> Thereafter they were set apart unto God for that
> service and “anointed” to perform that service by
> the Spirit of God. In the New Testament, the Holy
> Spirit was poured out from Heaven upon the
> believers, and they were thus described as having
> received an anointing, I John 2:27. Thus we
> speak of anyone moving or speaking or ministering
> by the Holy Spirit as being “anointed” of the Holy
> Spirit.
> TONGUES: One of the “signs” to follow the Word
> was the speaking with “new tongues” Mark 16:17.
> The “Tongues” in Acts, chapter 2, was the speaking
> with new languages they had never learned as they
> received the Holy Spirit. There is a Gift of
> Diverse Kinds of Tongues described in I
> Corinthians 12, which is the ability (God-given)
> to speak languages not previously learned. Abuses
> of tongues and restrictions upon their use is
> described in I Corinthians 14.
> PROPHECY: Prophecy is an utterance inspired by
> the Holy Spirit of truths divinely revealed.
> Prophecy in the Bible sometimes meant foretelling
> events, or predicting, but the Gift of prophecy is
> given to edify, exhort and to comfort. See I
> Corinthians, chapter 14. Hence, the prophecies in
> the services may be only for the comfort of the
> people, and not for prediction of future
> happenings.
> THE LIVING WORD: The letter of the Old Law,
> and the Scriptures as taught by men devoid of the
> Holy Spirit is death, and gives no life. II
> Corinthians 3:6-8. But the Word of God,
> illuminated by the Holy Spirit, and spoken under
> the anointing of the Holy Spirit, is living and
> life-giving. Hebrews 4:12. We speak of the
> “Living Word”, now, as that anointed utterance of
> a Word from God, because that Word is living, and
> it gives life.
> “TO BE MINISTERED TO” - To receive help or
> counsel as other believers serve you to meet your
> need through the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
> LAYING ON OF HANDS: One of God’s ways of
> imparting His Deliverance and Gifts to needy
> person through His Servants. Jesus laid His hands
> on the sick and healed them, and promised the
> believer would do the same. Mark 16:18. Gifts of
> the Holy Spirit were thus imparted. II Timothy
> 1:6. Also the Fullness of the Spirit. Acts 19:6.
> Ministries were commissioned and ordained to a
> divine service by the laying on of hands. Acts
> 19:3.
> “TO MINISTER” - To serve or help another by
> means of the anointing of the Holy Spirit through
> some gift of the Spirit, such as a Word of Wisdom,
> Faith, Miracles, or Gifts of Healing, etc.
> “A WORD” - You will frequently hear this phrase
> “I have a Word for you”, or “Brother So-and-so had
> a Word for me.” What is actually meant is this:
> The Holy Spirit had given a brother a “Word of
> Wisdom” or a “Word of Knowledge”, or a revelation
> concerning another person, and they brought that
> Word to them. I Corinthians 12:8. Great
> restraint should be shown in bringing another a
> Word as from the Lord. It is always best to
> minister to another in the presence of other
> ministries in the Church who may confirm that
> Word, if it is from the Lord. Many difficulties
> and much confusion is avoided by ministering in
> authorized groups in the church rather than
> privately.
> “THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD” - This term is a
> a literal translation of the Greek Word Parousia,
> which is usually mistranslated in the King James
> Version as “Coming” of the Lord. The Lord
> promised to do many things during His “Presence”
> in the last days. The word “Presence” implies an
> extended period of time in which He is revealed
> and works His will. The word “Coming” implies
> that all of these things prophesied for the
> Parousia would be done more or less
> instantaneously. This latter viewpoint has led to
> much confusion about the prophetical events of the
> last days.
> THE CHURCH: This word is translated from
> Ecclessia, (Greek New Testament), meaning “The
> Called Out”. The Church is a spiritual body of
> believers called out from the World to serve the
> Lord. The New Testament gives us this picture:
> The Church is the Body of Jesus Christ. He is the
> sole head. The church is not a building or a
> denomination. It is a spiritual body of people,
> not an organization.
> THE LOCAL CHURCH: This term designates the
> group of believers in a certain locality who
> gather to worship and to minister to one another
> in the New Testament plan for the church. The
> local New Testament church is a free,
> non-denominational, spirit-filled body fo people,
> governed and united according to the New
> Testaments instructions for the local churches,
> and they are not to be affiliated with
> denominations.
> BABYLON: In Genesis 11, Babel was the origin
> of religious confusion. Thus Babylon in the book
> of revelation, chapters 17 and 18, is a symbol of
> Romanism and Protestantism in all of its
> denominational aspects, a source of confusion and
> unfaithfulness to the Lord Jesus Christ. Babylon
> of Revelation 17 and 18 is in contrast to the true
> church, the Bride of Christ of Revelations 19.
> SUBMISSION: Is the accepting the control or
> authority of another, being obedient and compliant
> to those over you in the Lord. Ephesian 5:21 to
> 6:9 and Hebrews 13:17 teach the New Testament
> pattern for submission to divinely, appointed
> authority in the home and in the church.
> REBELLION: Resistance to authority, or
> defiance of authority. This spiritual condition
> of rebellion is the problem of this age - II Peter
> 2:9-19, and seems to be the greatest problem in
> the lives of God’s people, that hinders their
> walking in a true ministry before the Lord.
> GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT: These Gifts are
> endowments of the grace of God upon the individual
> Spirit-filled believer, and by these gifts they
> minister and serve the other members of the Body
> of Christ. I Cor. 12:8-10
> These are the ministries of the Apostle and the
> Prophet, which are the foundational ministries of
> the church. Ephesians 2:19-22. Often the
> Apostolic and Prophetic ministries may be found in
> those who will be later designated by the Spirit
> to be Apostles and Prophets, although that
> ministry is only in part at present.
> IMPARTATION: The bestowal on another of a
> share or portion of that which God has given to
> you. In Romans 1:11 Paul longed to impart
> spiritual gifts to the Roman Christians. God is
> raising up ministries today that can impart to
> other believers that which God has endowed them.
> “IN THE WILDERNESS”: A term taken from the
> e experiences of the Israelites who were forced to
> go through a proving in the Wilderness before they
> were allowed of God to go into their inheritance
> in the land of Canaan. Jesus also was tempted in
> the wilderness before He entered into His
> ministry. Those who have received personal
> prophecies and been appointed a ministry usually
> go through a time of testing which we have
> referred to as “our wilderness.”
> THE KINGDOM OF GOD: God’s KIngdom has always
> been a spiritual kingdom, “not of this world”, but
> in these days the truths of the Kingdom of God as
> taught in the New Testament have been particularly
> emphasized by the Holy Spirit, for the KIngdom of
> God is to fill the whole earth in these days ahead
> of us, and the “kingdoms of this world will become
> the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ.”
> DISCERNMENT: Insight that the Holy Spirit
> gives into the need of problems or circumstances.
> It is a spiritual penetration into the underlying
> problems or bondages or oppressions of peoples.
> Discernment may be given through the Gift of
> Discerning of Spirit, or through the Word of
> Wisdom, or through the Word of Knowledge. I Cor.
> 12:8-10 or 2:8-10. (not sure)
> REVELATION: The mainfestion by God of His will
> and truths to man. I Peter 1:10-12 shows that the
> prophets received these revelations from God that
> constitute the Bible. God is still showing His
> will and His truths to man.
> ILLUMINATION: The enlightenment that the Holy
> Spirit gives the Word of God. Thus the Holy
> Spirit may reveal a truth to one, and as he
> declares the truth to others, the Holy Spirit
> illuminates that truth to them so they may
> understand it.
> God’s bringing back the church to its New
> Testament condition (Acts) and glory. Acts 3:21.
> The correct translation of this verse reads,
> “until the time for the establishing of all of
> those things spoken of by the mouth of all the
> Holy prophets…” What God is doing today is more
> than a Restoration of the New Testament church -
> it is the establishing of His KIngdom on earth
> through the ministry of a church restored to its
> New Testament glory and more.
> THE GLORY: The glory of the Lord is the
> manifestation of God’s presence and splendor to
> the spiritual and physical faculties of man. Thus
> when the prophets prophesied that God’s temple in
> the last days (Haggai 2:9) would have greater
> glory than the glory that was seen in Solomon’s
> temple, they meant that God’s presence would be
> revealed not only to the heart of man, but also to
> his eyesight. Isaiah 4:5-6
> THE VISION: In Numbers 12:6 God says that He
> reveals Himself to the prophet by a vision or a
> dream. Old Testament prophets were sometimes
> called “seers” because of this faculty of
> spiritual sight. The realm of spirit actually
> became visible to many of them. II KIngs 6:15-17.
> This spiritual sight will be given to many of
> God’s servants in these days.
> spirit-beings, such as angels, demons, Satan, as
> well as God and our Savior. In this spirit realm
> our great struggles take place. Ephesians
> 6:10-12.
> THE LEADING OF THE LORD: God’s servants were
> always led and directed by the Holy Spirit as to
> what they were to do and to say. Today God is
> raising up a people who will be led of the Holy
> Spirit in everything they do or say. Romans 8:14.
> FIRST PRINCIPLES: In Hebrews 5:12, this terms
> is used to describe the foundational, fundamental
> teachings of the Scriptures which every believer
> should know.
> WORSHIP: A spiritual veneration, adoration,
> exaltation, and reverence of the Lord God,
> accompanied with thanksgiving and praise to the
> Lord. John 4:19-24 shows that God is looking for
> true worshippers who will worship Him in Spirit
> and in Truth. True worship is from the heart, and
> is not formal. It is not ritualistic, it is not
> mere thanksgiving, or praise, or singing.
> Corinthians 14:15, it is singing before the Lord
> under the anointing and inspiration of the Holy
> Spirit. It is not singing from a hymnal. It is an
> inspired and anointed utterance by the Holy
> Spirit.
> THE LORDSHIP OF CHRIST. In Philippians 2:9-11
> Christ Jesus is to be our Lord. He is our head in
> Everything. Colossians 1:16-18. We speak much of
> His Lordship in these days for the Spirit
> emphasizes the dethronement of self, and man-rule
> that Christ might be our only Lord.
> THE FLESH: The bodily nature as distinguished
> from the spiritual nature. The New Testament
> speaks of the flesh, as the old nature full of
> disobedience to the Lord.
> CARNAL: Adjective describing that which is of
> the fleshly nature.
> SOULISH: Adjective describing that which is of
> the Soul, i.e. his emotions, his will, his
> intellect. Much religious effort is born in the
> soulish realm of man, not in the realm of his
> spirit. Hence, in Hebrews 4:12, the Word of God
> divides in us between soul and spirit.
> THE SIGNS: Many omens or portents come to
> God’s people today by the Holy Spirit. Some find
> their hands burning under the anointing of the
> Spirit, others find that burning on their lips
> when they are to prophesy or minister. Others
> find that the symptoms of the sick are given to
> them so that they have identical symptoms with the
> afflicted one to assure them of God’s will in
> healing the sick. We do not follow such
> “signs”--they follow us. Mark 16:15.
> PENTECOSTAL: Pentecost was a Jewish festival
> kept the 50th day after the 2nd day of the
> Passover. On this feast day the Holy Spirit was
> given. Acts 2:1-4. Now the term Pentecostal has
> come to refer to the experience described in Acts
> 2, where they were filled with the Holy Spirit and
> spoke with other tongues. When most people say
> “Pentecostal” they have a movement of Christianity
> in mind, which has embraced the experience of Acts
> 2, but have also proceeded to become very
> sectarian and denominational in organization and
> procedure. Soon the term “Pentecostal” will refer
> to a very sectarian and denominational movement of
> Christianity instead of a spiritual experience
> with the Lord. The term should be avoided
> therefore, and another less abused term used.
> FUNDAMENTAL: The foundational or necessary
> principles or teachings of the Word of God. The
> term “Fundamental” has come to refer to certain
> denominations and sectarian movements. All of
> these denominations and organizations called
> fundamental avoid giving any place or teaching
> about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the Gifts of
> the Holy Spirit, or Apostolic ministries, etc.
> Actually they have denied many of the
> “fundamental” truths. The term should be avoided
> as much as possible because of its abuse.
> MOVE OF GOD: A term recently coined to cover
> all that God is doing to restore the churches and
> the ministries to the original New Testament power
> and pattern. Actually so many leaders today have
> called themselves “move of God”, while they were
> building an organization that was not scriptural,
> that the term has been abused. “Move of God” in
> the eyes of most discerning believers today is a
> term with self-imposed reproach, and should be
> avoided. Thus the revelation of the Holy Spirit
> has been, “Say no more, the move of God”.
> LATTER RAIN: This is a scriptural term
> referring to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit,
> promised for the latter days. James 5:7. So many
> movements, claiming to have the “Latter Rain” have
> come forth in recent years, and none of them
> really possessed the true Latter Rain as described
> in the prophets, that now, “Latter Rain” is also
> an abused term to be avoided it does not mean to
> most people today what it means in the Scriptures.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: June 15, 2019 11:53PM

that little red flag Wrote:

> I hope the following (by Rick Ross, Expert
> Consultant and Intervention Specialist) brings
> some light.
> Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe
> group/leader.
> - Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful
> accountability.
> - No tolerance for questions or critical
> inquiry.
> - No meaningful financial disclosure regarding
> budget, expenses such as an independently audited
> financial statement.
> - Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such
> as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and
> persecutions.
> - There is no legitimate reason to leave, former
> followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or
> even evil.
> - Former members often relate the same stories of
> abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
> - There are records, books, news articles, or
> television programs that document the abuses of
> the group/leader.
> - Followers feel they can never be "good
> enough".
> - The group/leader is always right.
> - The group/leader is the exclusive means of
> knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other
> process of discovery is really acceptable or
> credible.
> Ten warning signs regarding people involved
> in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
> - Extreme obsessiveness regarding the
> group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost
> every practical consideration.
> - Individual identity, the group, the leader
> and/or God as distinct and separate categories of
> existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in
> the follower's mind these identities become
> substantially and increasingly fused--as that
> person's involvement with the group/leader
> continues and deepens.
> - Whenever the group/leader is criticized or
> questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
> Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly
> programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of
> the group/leader in personal behavior.
> - Dependency upon the group/leader for problem
> solving, solutions, and definitions without
> meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability
> to think independently or analyze situations
> without group/leader involvement.
> - Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader
> agenda, which seems to supercede any personal
> goals or individual interests.
> - A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of
> humor.
> - Increasing isolation from family and old
> friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the
> group/leader.
> - Anything the group/leader does can be justified
> no matter how harsh or harmful.
> - Former followers are at best-considered
> negative or worse evil and under bad influences.
> They can not be trusted and personal contact is
> avoided.
> Ten signs of a safe group/leader.
> - A safe group/leader will answer your questions
> without becoming judgmental and punitive.
> - A safe group/leader will disclose information
> such as finances and often offer an independently
> audited financial statement regarding budget and
> expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you
> more than you want to know.
> - A safe group/leader is often democratic,
> sharing decision making and encouraging
> accountability and oversight.
> - A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former
> followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and
> forbid others from associating with them.
> - A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail
> of overwhelmingly negative records, books,
> articles and statements about them.
> - A safe group/leader will encourage family
> communication, community interaction and existing
> friendships and not feel threatened.
> - A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable
> boundaries and limitations when dealing with
> others.
> - A safe group/leader will encourage critical
> thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of
> self-esteem.
> - A safe group/leader will admit failings and
> mistakes and accept constructive criticism and
> advice.
> - A safe group/leader will not be the only source
> of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else,
> but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.
> Don't be naïve, develop a good BS Detector.
> You can protect yourself from unsafe groups and
> leaders by developing a good BS detector. Check
> things out, know the facts and examine the
> evidence. A safe group will be patient with your
> decision making process. If a group or leader
> grows angry and anxious just because you want to
> make an informed and careful decision before
> joining; beware.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: June 16, 2019 12:23AM

Onion Wrote:
> The State of NY just changed the statute of
> limitations so that any person sexually
> abused/assaulted as a minor, has until they are 55
> years old to bring an action (criminal or civil).
> Hawaii extended its statute substantially but not
> as fabulously as NY. California is supposed to be
> following up soon with some sweeping changes
> similar to NY.
Just a reminder that laws are changing that will help victims from the past. Sure many preps are dead now- but the past shows a long standing pattern of behavior - evidence at the very least to those who hang on the the believe that TLW was all "revelation for the chosen ones"

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: June 16, 2019 12:29AM

This quote is worth repeating and remembering. Now, how to reveal this in love to those still trying to figure out what side of the fence will land on?
The truth is nasty- the truth is harsh - the truth destroys all of our fantasies about walking in the kingdom.

Onion Wrote:
> Marilyn was not JRS' first affair - just his last.
> And JRS initiating prayers for the death of his
> first wife started much earlier than the 70's.
> One misconception that I believe was originated by
> G&M and that was used by them for decades with
> great success - was doing things in secret that
> other people would be blamed for. They would often
> tell someone (they did this with me) to speak
> publicly about a topic or to confront someone
> about something but they would demand that their
> name be kept out of it. They also had a system for
> protecting secrets that involved only telling part
> of a story to different people - no one person
> ever had all the details or a complete picture
> until all of us now communicating began putting
> our heads together and comparing notes late last
> summer.
> The worst thing that ever happened to them and
> their cult was a bunch of us getting together and
> breaking the deeply embedded code of silence by
> comparing notes. Let's NEVER stop.
> One area they practiced this manipulation and
> secrecy in was re: Rick Holbrook and his history
> of sexual abuse of women and girls. Yes, they
> would enlist ministries from other locations to
> come up to help with the church members who were
> having a hard time (literally freaking out) about
> Rick's multiple marriages and affairs, but they
> NEVER admitted they wanted a cover-up. In fact,
> most of the ministries that were called upon by
> them to counsel people in the churches were told
> very clearly that they wanted help to solve the
> problem with Rick but then they would describe
> issues with half-truths and partial pictures (i.e.
> never discussing the many complaints of Rick's
> sexual abuse - only acknowledging his marriages
> and those affairs).
> Then when the work was done and the recommendation
> of the congregants was presented to G&M (and
> apparently a few others involved more deeply like
> Silas) they would just arbitrarily dismiss the
> ministry to go back home where often times they
> had been undermining that ministry's home church
> so there was nothing to go back to and THEN they
> would ignore the recommended solutions and
> reinstate Rick into his control over L.A. where he
> was free to resume his sexual misconduct as he
> pleased.
> G&M were experts at ruining the reputations of any
> ministries that either knew too much about their
> secrets (including about Rick) or if that ministry
> was too popular. I believe they did this to MANY
> including Larry Makuakane, Dan Statton, Bill
> Maybee, Dan Luebbers, and John Miller. And I am
> sure there are many more.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: June 16, 2019 12:35AM

changedagain Wrote:
> Reepicheep Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Here is an article that I believe would be
> helpful
> > to many people on this forum. The title is
> "Forget
> > About Forgiving Your Narcissist/Psychopath:
> Here's
> > Why ".
> >
> > Here's a sneak peek of the subtitles:
> >
> > You need to move on
> > You get more drained by the second
> > It's time for you to come first
> > You need to stop feeling bad for seeking
> justice
> > Toxic people get off scot-free
> > Forgiving yourself should be the first priority
> > Know you’re not stupid for getting involved
> > Not forgetting doesn’t make you a bad person
> > You need to heal
> >
> >
> []
> Good stuff. #5 is especially pertinent:
> 5. Toxic people get off scot-free
> My friend Shannon Thomas (Licensed Clinical Social
> Worker), an expert in spiritual abuse, explains
> that when victims release the abuser too soon from
> accountability, the entire healing process is
> derailed.
> She says, “When the topic of forgiveness arises,
> many emotions are triggered for survivors of
> abuse. This is especially true within a religious
> or spiritual setting. The traditional definition
> of forgiveness involves telling the abuser he or
> she is released from the responsibility for the
> damage they have caused.
This action is
> absolutely not helpful within an abusive
> environment. Toxic people must hold and address
> the responsibility for their actions.”

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: June 16, 2019 12:39AM

Onion Wrote:
> I have been looking at a lot of the requirements
> for maintaining tax-exempt status and one
> principle that I am loving is that if an
> expenditure that seems to benefit those who are
> connected to, or paid by, the nonprofit is
> approved by the Board then all of the board
> members could liable for reimbursement and taxes.
> The way a board member (or anyone who has
> influence within the organization) shows they did
> not approve the spending is by having
> recorded/written evidence of that person's
> disagreement with the expenditure. Recusing
> oneself from voting or participating, or failing
> to attend the meeting where a decision is
> discussed, is NOT accepted as proof or a defense.
> If no dissent is recorded in the records, then the
> individuals are considered to have agreed.
> I would think there would be lawsuits against
> leadership who made decisions without allowing
> dissent or for cult mind control that prevented an
> ability to even have a difference of opinion if
> the IRS found against any individual for the many
> questionable expenditures that benefitted people
> and did not benefit the churches or their
> tax-exempt/religious purposes.
> Apparently, the best thing all of us have done is
> to publicly speak up. I would hope that those who
> are die-hard loyalists to the past will realize
> there is a requirement to speak out about
> wrongdoing to avoid being held responsible. Of
> course, the complete control exercised by various
> leaders will result in complete liability but that
> doesn't mean they will be the only ones culpable.
> Ponderings....

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