Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: May 11, 2018 09:47AM

GSchaeff Wrote:

> I heard it put really well the other day, "the hardest day
> of freedom is better than the best day inside a cult."

Yes

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NickleandDimed ()
Date: May 11, 2018 10:37AM

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> SouthGate Wrote:
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> Did I not stick up for you
> previously
> > when I thought you were right? Why did you
> figure
> > that I would say that about Bobo's post?
Like I
> > said, I thought he was trying to be helpful.
> >
> > Do you want to be bitter for the rest of your
> > life? That's an honest question I'm asking you.
> > I'm not trying to be critical of you, but
> you
> > don't make it easy.
>
>
Because of your track record. As an apologist for John. It wasn't a criticism. When I posted it. I thought. You were going to like what Bobo said. However, I think Bobo may have made adjustments. Since that 2013 post about John. Maybe not. Maybe Bobo will let us know.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: GSchaeff ()
Date: May 11, 2018 11:36AM

Changedagain, you've been on this forum for a minute. Has the other Bobbi Morris' TLW ever come up? It seems like quite a coincidence, considering Stevens had TLWF locations all over California to include the bay area.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NickleandDimed ()
Date: May 11, 2018 01:04PM

SouthGate Wrote:
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>> Do you want to be bitter for the rest of your
> life? That's an honest question I'm asking you.
> I'm not trying to be critical of you, but you
> don't make it easy.


Southgate, bitter was a pejorative word. Used in the cult of John Robert Stevens and the Hargraves. To shame members. Who disagreed with their false teaching. Are you here again to cause trouble? And shame people? When you registered you agreed to follow the rules. To not personally attack. Cause trouble. Or intimidate those in the forum. I'll be warning the RR Moderator that you are back.



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: puddington ()
Date: May 11, 2018 08:43PM

Hey everyone. Here’s a few of the RR rules for this forum. As a gentle reminder to us all (me included):



Vitriolic posts that personally attack people, will not be tolerated and are grounds for banning the author from this message board.

Any person that is here to cause trouble, start arguments and/or intimidate people, will be banned.

...

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: GoingRogue ()
Date: May 11, 2018 08:51PM

In Larry's post from 2013 that is being discussed, his first paragraph is a quote from jhorning on August 2, 2013. He was responding to jhorning's post. It is important to consider the context for what was written. I thought we were talking about the LW cult and JRS and G&M. We're all on the same side, I think. If you look almost to the end of jhorning's post (below), you will see that excerpt bolded. From page 26 of this forum:

jhorning Wrote:
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>
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Changed4me
I remember when M started
> designating the wife as the spiritual leader of a
> marriage and that husbands were to submit
> themselves unto their wife. I remember the date,
> time, place where it happened to me. Part of
> the"pitch" to accept this was M telling my wife
> and I that she chose us because we were strong and
> could handle it.... once again it gave us the
> feeling of having M's approval I remember how
> Bill Maybe struggled with this. It ultimately
> drove him away from his marriage, church and son.
>
> Looking back, as hindsight is always 20/20, this
> role reversal was designed to break the male
> spirit and establish M's stronghold as the
> spiritual leader. I remember G telling me how
> difficult it was for him. From the early days, I
> think M saw herself in an exhaulted way because
> she was the chosen one to bring forth the man of
> God that was going to bring forth the kingdom on
> the earth. I think she used the same principle
> with Gary.... he was the voice from the pulpit,
> but in reality, she directed him as to what the
> will of God was going to be.... shining bright the
> path as the Lamp of Israel....what a bunch of mind
> controling bunk!...just my humble opinion.
>
> My wife and I came to see Marilyn as a "King
> Maker". She would help the one she latched onto
> and propel him to the top.
>
> "Kingmaker" is also used in some countries to
> refer to those individuals with the ability to
> influence the selection of political leaders. The
> term though always unofficial, has tended to gain
> more importance in places of power struggle e.g.
> politics, sports organizations etc. Consequently,
> bestowement of such a title is looked upon
> significantly and more often as a means of
> indirect gratification for individuals wanting to
> silently dictate the affairs of the organization."
>
> This is what has happened to tlwf. I was at the
> 1984 meeting in Sepulveda when she was choosing
> the men who would stand with her. They have become
> what we always tried to avoid: becoming like
> "Babylon". I heard the tapes where she directed
> marriages to break up. It was a big mess.
>
> Way back in the early days whenever the
> phrase,"the living word" was used my wife and I
> always thought of God's Word (the scriptures),
> what we didn't realize until later is those who
> used it the most were speaking of the word,
> sermons, this weeks, and tapes from jrs. He was
> not the Christ, John the Beloved, or our Father in
> the heavens. However, regarding the posts seeking
> info about John. Was he a drinker? A womanizer?
> That's like focusing on the debauchery of the
> prodigal son, "Can you tell me more about those
> prostitutes?", rather than on the forgiveness,
> grace, and love of the father. John was a man whom
> God used just like He has used anyone of us.
> Different calling, different gifts, but the same
> Spirit.

>
> Galatians 2:6 "As for those who were held in high
> esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to
> me; God does not show favoritism—they added
> nothing to my message."
>
> We have one Teacher, One Father, One Spirit, and
> we are all brothers. Once again those in
> leadership have given themselves over to exalt
> marilyn and gary the same way they exalted jrs.
> And now with gary reaching out to the catholic
> church it's all over, but the shouting. IMHO.



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: GoingRogue ()
Date: May 11, 2018 09:02PM

kbyrne Wrote:
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> It's taken me several months after finding this
> forum to realize that leaving the Walk was never
> the issue for me. Feeling like I was leaving JRS
> was. I would cringe a little at posts that seem
> to be critical of him when I first read them.
> That's changed. It's been extremely hard for me
> to admit that I may have been deceived by this man
> that I literally worshiped.

Welcome, kbyrne. I know what you mean. That was the hardest part for me, too.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: May 11, 2018 10:21PM

GSchaeff Wrote:
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> Changedagain, you've been on this forum for a
> minute. Has the other Bobbi Morris' TLW ever come
> up? It seems like quite a coincidence, considering
> Stevens had TLWF locations all over California to
> include the bay area.

Not to my knowledge. Coincidence, indeed.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: May 11, 2018 10:25PM

changedagain Wrote:
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> GSchaeff Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Changedagain, you've been on this forum for a
> > minute.

I've been on this board for more than a minute, GScgaeff. You must know that. QUIT MISREPRESENTING MY INVOLVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!

love,
CA

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: GSchaeff ()
Date: May 11, 2018 10:35PM

You misrepresented my name, but I see it's a G for Gary. MAKE FUN OF APCO AND DIE!

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