Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
Reepicheep
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Date: February 07, 2018 10:25PM
larry bobo Wrote:
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> Speaking of leadership styles, I’m reading a #1
> New York Times Bestseller entitled “Extreme
> Ownership” written by a Navy SEAL about business
> leadership....The main point of the book is to
> encourage leaders to accept total responsibility
> for what happens under their watch. You alone are
> responsible for the actions of those under your
> charge – not them. There are no rebellious sons
> or false shepherds to blame for John not rising
> from the dead. You don’t get all the control and
> none of the personal responsibility. Correct
> behavior in others must first be modeled by the
> leader – you lead by example, not by trying to
> convince others to do what you are not doing.
That sounds like an interesting book, Larry. I don't think there is enough humility in the top TLWF leadership to look inward in the way you describe. When Gary says he is accepting responsibility, i.e. "drinking the cup", it usually comes out in a twisted manifestation. For example, he has been avoiding bringing the hard words and directions such as closing a major facility, and now he needs to step up.
BTW, I have been watching Leah Remini's Scientology, The Aftermath. The way that David Miscavige explained LRH's death sounded eerily similar to the narrative we were told about JRS' death. "He could have broken through into resurrection life, but he refused to receive the fulfillment alone without a company of people." And the corollary, "You all killed John by your (disobedience, indifference, rebellion)." Feel free to fill in the blank with one of the above, or invent your own. That is not true leadership.
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> Speaking of leadership styles, I’m reading a #1
> New York Times Bestseller entitled “Extreme
> Ownership” written by a Navy SEAL about business
> leadership....The main point of the book is to
> encourage leaders to accept total responsibility
> for what happens under their watch. You alone are
> responsible for the actions of those under your
> charge – not them. There are no rebellious sons
> or false shepherds to blame for John not rising
> from the dead. You don’t get all the control and
> none of the personal responsibility. Correct
> behavior in others must first be modeled by the
> leader – you lead by example, not by trying to
> convince others to do what you are not doing.
That sounds like an interesting book, Larry. I don't think there is enough humility in the top TLWF leadership to look inward in the way you describe. When Gary says he is accepting responsibility, i.e. "drinking the cup", it usually comes out in a twisted manifestation. For example, he has been avoiding bringing the hard words and directions such as closing a major facility, and now he needs to step up.
BTW, I have been watching Leah Remini's Scientology, The Aftermath. The way that David Miscavige explained LRH's death sounded eerily similar to the narrative we were told about JRS' death. "He could have broken through into resurrection life, but he refused to receive the fulfillment alone without a company of people." And the corollary, "You all killed John by your (disobedience, indifference, rebellion)." Feel free to fill in the blank with one of the above, or invent your own. That is not true leadership.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
Reepicheep
()
Date: February 07, 2018 10:34PM
changedagain Wrote:
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> Yes, serve as an example. Be the first ones to
> 'drink the cup.'
> So many of these 'living words' would never see
> the light of day if the measuring stick was
> stringently applied to the person speaking it,
> instead of just dumped on the fellowship.
So true, changedagain! Even when Mr. Big Cheese is feigning humility, he's looking around for something to beat people with. It turns people's lives inside out and upside down. But he just keeps on keeping on.
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> Yes, serve as an example. Be the first ones to
> 'drink the cup.'
> So many of these 'living words' would never see
> the light of day if the measuring stick was
> stringently applied to the person speaking it,
> instead of just dumped on the fellowship.
So true, changedagain! Even when Mr. Big Cheese is feigning humility, he's looking around for something to beat people with. It turns people's lives inside out and upside down. But he just keeps on keeping on.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: February 08, 2018 03:50AM
larry bobo Wrote:
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> The main point of the book is to
> encourage leaders to accept total responsibility
> for what happens under their watch. You alone are
> responsible for the actions of those under your
> charge – not them.
Yes
Jocko Willink would not be impressed by TLWF leadership :)
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> The main point of the book is to
> encourage leaders to accept total responsibility
> for what happens under their watch. You alone are
> responsible for the actions of those under your
> charge – not them.
Yes
Jocko Willink would not be impressed by TLWF leadership :)
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: February 08, 2018 03:54AM
Reepicheep Wrote:
> Even when Mr. Big Cheese is
> feigning humility, he's looking around for
> something to beat people with. It turns people's
> lives inside out and upside down.
A sadistic streak, for sure. I suppose his cross to bear is to inform others they are going to the cross.
> Even when Mr. Big Cheese is
> feigning humility, he's looking around for
> something to beat people with. It turns people's
> lives inside out and upside down.
A sadistic streak, for sure. I suppose his cross to bear is to inform others they are going to the cross.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
puddington
()
Date: February 08, 2018 03:55AM
Reepicheep. You can bet that us posters on this forum were blamed for Marilyn’s death. They probably think we are a coven.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
Tknc
()
Date: February 08, 2018 03:57AM
Rebellion is as witchcraft after all.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: February 08, 2018 07:01AM
In spite of what John said, I still consider deceit, arrogance and greed to more contemptible human traits than sarcasm. Of course, I'm biased.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: February 08, 2018 07:04AM
Tknc Wrote:
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> Rebellion is as witchcraft after all.
The founding fathers were a coven, I guess. Hadn't thought of it that way.
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> Rebellion is as witchcraft after all.
The founding fathers were a coven, I guess. Hadn't thought of it that way.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
Reepicheep
()
Date: February 08, 2018 08:14AM
puddington Wrote:
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> Reepicheep. You can bet that us posters on this
> forum were blamed for Marilyn’s death. They
> probably think we are a coven.
Tknc Wrote:
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> Rebellion is as witchcraft after all.
Puddington and Tknc, I was tempted to make a joke about this, but it is just so sad. Gary Hargrave is the one using psychic warfare against people who disagree with him. And he learned these tactics from John Robert Stevens. If they're looking for a coven, they should look at themselves!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2018 08:36AM by Reepicheep.
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> Reepicheep. You can bet that us posters on this
> forum were blamed for Marilyn’s death. They
> probably think we are a coven.
Tknc Wrote:
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> Rebellion is as witchcraft after all.
Puddington and Tknc, I was tempted to make a joke about this, but it is just so sad. Gary Hargrave is the one using psychic warfare against people who disagree with him. And he learned these tactics from John Robert Stevens. If they're looking for a coven, they should look at themselves!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2018 08:36AM by Reepicheep.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
Reepicheep
()
Date: February 08, 2018 08:15AM
changedagain Wrote:
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> In spite of what John said, I still consider
> deceit, arrogance and greed to more contemptible
> human traits than sarcasm. Of course, I'm biased.
Ha, changedagain. Good one! ;-)
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> In spite of what John said, I still consider
> deceit, arrogance and greed to more contemptible
> human traits than sarcasm. Of course, I'm biased.
Ha, changedagain. Good one! ;-)
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