Many have prayed and posted for decades in anticipation of these past few months. There really has been a significant breaking of the deception that has held members of TLWF in bondage. Much of the now public knowledge of the inner workings of TLWF leadership has been known by many for years, and yet to speak of it in the past has had little effect, except to brand the speaker as a heretic. I would concur with puddington that a tremendous victory has already taken place, no matter what the outcome in the court system. Personally, the legal outcome has never been an issue – in the end, nobody gets by God. For others, it may be their gifting in the legal realm that God uses to bring about His justice. But even in that, mercy triumphs over judgement. Once the blinders are off, it becomes much easier to make good choices. My encouragement would be to return to our first love without all the added weight, recognizing that no human was ever meant to take the place of God. There is nothing greater than “The Walk” – something we were all searching for when we became a part of this fellowship. Walking on is where the fruit becomes so worth the suffering. It has been the story of many generations, and we are no exception.

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As to anyone from the dark side having won anything: The pressure continues to mount in places possibly unseen by members of this forum. But massive pressure is on and closing in. Laws have changed, public sentiment worldwide has changed, lawyers are contacting us now, and the IRS hasn't even weighed in yet. The perpetrators have already lost so much they cannot consider themselves winners of anything unless they are still swigging down koolaide type punch mixed with their expensive scotch and wine.

Great news, Onion!

Another Shiloh update:
[www.kalonanews.com]

fool me twice Wrote:
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> Another Shiloh update:
> [www.kalonanews.com]

"As part of the discussions, Shiloh would retain ownership of some of the undeveloped areas on the property, with the idea of selling off parcels for development.
Caquelin said that any proceeds from the sale of the property would only go to non-profit organizations, such as the church, and “absolutely not to any private individuals.”"

The assurance that private individuals will not benefit from the sale of property rings hollow. I wonder, besides the church, what 'non-profit organizations' might receive the proceeds. Hargrave Family Ministries perhaps? An entity connected to HFM? BTW, is the name now Hargrave Ministries?

"He also pointed out that, in the past, funds have been donated to Shiloh for various “restricted purposes,” including a plan to construct a senior housing facility."

The plan for senior housing went nowhere. Was that ever a real thing?



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fool me twice Wrote:
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> Another Shiloh update:
> [www.kalonanews.com]

Thanks for sharing this update, FMT.

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Another Shiloh update:
[www.kalonanews.com]

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From the article:

Caquelin said that any proceeds from the sale of the property would only go to non-profit organizations, such as the church, and "absolutely not to any private individuals.”

He also pointed out that, in the past, funds have been donated to Shiloh for various "restricted purposes," including a plan to construct a senior housing facility.

The money in the senior housing or any other restricted fund will be either used for that restricted purpose or redirected with donors’ approval,” Caquelin said. "There is no current planned use of the senior housing fund."

Interesting that the money from the senior housing restricted fund can now be redirected with donor's approval. That will be a neat trick, since many of those who donated are now deceased, having never seen or heard any more details about the senior facility which was promised. Sounds a bit like like the non-existent gymnasium at Centers of Learning in North Hills. But they do have a horse barn, so no worries. That's almost the same thing, right? Except that it only benefitted one person, the child of a leader, and allowed the students to have a class called "barn" to care for the child's horse.

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Another Shiloh update:
[www.kalonanews.com]

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From the article:

Caquelin said that any proceeds from the sale of the property would only go to non-profit organizations, such as the church, and "absolutely not to any private individuals.”

He also pointed out that, in the past, funds have been donated to Shiloh for various "restricted purposes," including a plan to construct a senior housing facility.

The money in the senior housing or any other restricted fund will be either used for that restricted purpose or redirected with donors’ approval,” Caquelin said. "There is no current planned use of the senior housing fund."

Interesting that the money from the senior housing restricted fund can now be redirected with donor's approval. That will be a neat trick, since many of those who donated are now deceased, having never seen or heard any more details about the senior facility which was promised. Sounds a bit like like the non-existent gymnasium at Centers of Learning in North Hills. But they do have a horse barn, so no worries. That's almost the same thing, right? Except that it only benefitted one person, the child of a leader, and allowed all the other students to have a class called "barn" to care for the child's horse.

I am thrilled that someone from Shiloh made reference to restricted funds as in those funds received for a specific purpose and the purpose was then dropped.

"Sometimes there may be circumstances that make it impossible or impracticable for restricted funds to be used for the restricted purpose for which they were given. If the temple knows who gave the funds, it can ask the donors for permission to use the funds for a different purpose. If the donors do not agree to the alternative purpose, the organization may have to return the money to the donors or give it to another nonprofit for a similar purpose." Quoted from page 98 of the book "Guide to Representing Religious Organizations" by Frey and Lisa A. Runquist."

A similar purpose. Hmmm. The Presbyterian church has a ministry of providing low income housing for seniors and their housing is beautiful.

Just giving the restricted funds to another nonprofit with "similar" religious purposes is not the same as giving the money for USING those funds for a purpose that is similar to that for which the funds were donated.

Maybe there will finally be an attempt by TLWF to make contact with people who left the church but before leaving had given their life savings, they family's inheritance, the list goes on, for specific purposes that were never fulfilled.

Interesting Historical Note: Anyone who was around in the "old days" before JRS' death will probably remember the offerings. First Sunday of the Month for Brazil or whatever, Second Sunday for TLW, and so on. Since I did the accounting back then I know that general tithes went into the general fund for salaries and facility upkeep and expenses. The "missionary" offerings taken at each Sunday service were for specific purposes and we kept careful track of what came in so the money would only be used for the "restricted" purpose of that offering.

An example would be offerings for purchasing property for building the school gymnasium. That property now houses Rayen Resort and Rick's horse barn, parking for the horse trailer and for the horse. Say what? Rick's horse may have been presented by him to his daughter but he had no authority to do so and his daughter was never complicit in any of it. Afterall, Rick had also been heard to tell his daughter in the pr4esence of many others, (while sweeping his arm around the Valley church, school and resort) "All of this will be yours someday."

Another example would be the second TLW building next to the original building on Atoll. Horrible neighborhood. Expensive real estate purchase. Used only by Rick, some say for parties and for storing his sets for the amphitheater and the Christmas truck. Did people know that's what they were giving for?

I learned recently that the church offerings are no longer designated "1st Sunday for this purpose" etc. Now the churches just take a general and unrestricted missionary offering and the missionary offering is sent directly to the Trust never to be heard from again. No one I have spoken to has ever heard a report on the Trust. Gee, I wonder why that is.

Every business decision made over the last several decades has been for the benefit of unscrupulous leaders and in a method that obfuscates the purpose for the offering so the leaders can do whatever they want with hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars given by people who barely had time to spend with their families or on taking care of their own homes because they worked 24/7 to keep a roof over their own heads while slavishly cleaning and maintaining the personal properties of the leaders who had to be laughing all the way to the bank or to Tuscan Moon for another $200+ bottle of wine. (No slur on Tuscan Moon intended, it is a fabulous restaurant and not connected in any way to TLWF.)

Obfuscation. Deception with a fancy label.









...the organization will likey be required to seek permission from the court in order to lift the restriction by showing that the original purpose has become impossible, impracticable or illegal to fulfill."

I believe this person (below) was referring to the memorial service for Bob McClane. An offering was taken for surviving members of his family, and then rather then the proceeds going to them, it was allocated (according to the poster) to the 'Apostolic travel fund.' Apparently the ministry taking the offering knew that this is what the deceased would have wanted. If that was the case, why not be upfront and tell the congregation while taking the offering that it would be for the Apostolic travel fund rather than for his family?
Will this be the approach taken by whoever decides what to do with money originally given for senior housing at Shiloh...by donors now long gone?
'They're not here, but I'm sure they would have wanted the money to go to _______________.'


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> I was told that at the end a memorial service, a
> love offering was taken up for the children of the
> man who had died. After the memorial service was
> over , when one of the family members went to the
> ministry who was in charge of the love offering,
> to get the love offering given for them - instead
> of receiving the offering taken up for the
> children, they were told by the ministry in charge
> of the offering , that it was being given to the
> apostolic travel fund, because that is what their
> father would have wanted.
>
> One of the men who was not a member of the church,
> who attended the memorial service privately gave
> an envelope with his gift of money for the mans
> children, directly to one of the mans children,
> saying to her, that, " he wanted to make sure
> they received his gift, so he did not put it in
> the offering plate."
>
> Interesting how a non member went about giving his
> gift directly and privately to one of the man's
> children for the children of the family - rather
> than putting his gift for the family, in the
> collection plate.

> Interesting that the money from the senior housing
> restricted fund can now be redirected with donor's
> approval. That will be a neat trick, since many of
> those who donated are now deceased, having never
> seen or heard any more details about the senior
> facility which was promised. Sounds a bit like
> like the non-existent gymnasium at Centers of
> Learning in North Hills. But they do have a horse
> barn, so no worries. That's almost the same thing,
> right? Except that it only benefitted one person,
> the child of a leader, and allowed the students to have a class called "barn" to care for the child's horse.

Hypothetical exchange:
Question from donor: What did you do with the money I gave years ago for a gymnasium at the Centers of Learning?
Answer from TLW ministry: We're getting around to it. But in the meantime we built a barn for one horse. That's what Rick wanted. I'm sure that's what you really wanted too.