GSchaeff Wrote:

> I'll keep trying. I've emailed the creator of
> Factnet.org, Lawrence Wollersheim, to see if he
> has an archive. Unfortunately, there seems to have
> been a falling out between the co-creators of
> factnet over the high cost of keeping the site
> safe and secure from hackers, and we may have lost
> that data for good.

Bummer. Keep trying! It would be nice to have all the data.

NickleandDimed Wrote:
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> I received the email message below. From a
> friend.
>
> "After the South Gate church closed, Gary showed
> me a letter from someone who joined the Church of
> Satan. His wife had been gossiped about and
> shunned by the congregation. Last year I saw him
> at Costco. He told me he formed a coven that put
> spells and curses on the South Gate congregation
> who attended Grace Chapel during 1990's.

The people in the South Gate fellowship have been through enough. They certainly didn't need some bitter guy casting spells on them. What a nut.

changedagain Wrote:

> The people in the South Gate fellowship have been
> through enough. They certainly didn't need some
> bitter guy casting spells on them. What a nut.

No kidding, changedagain. As if there wasn't enough hocus pocus coming from G&M. Geez!

puddington Wrote:
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> Did you find the posts from Gary’s daughter, Dawn?
> They will break your heart. What a poor example
> of a father. It says a lot about the “apostolic
> fathering ministry”.

No, I couldn't find that exchange in the doc files I received, puddington. I know I've read it before, though. It was a very sad and telling account of a young person looking for answers. Too bad that GH showed zero nurturing skills and compassion for his own child. Fathering ministry indeed.



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GoingRogue Wrote:

> No, I couldn't find that exchange in the doc files
> I received, puddington. I know I've read it
> before, though. It was a very sad and telling
> account of a young person looking for answers. Too
> bad that GH showed zero nurturing skills and
> compassion for his own child. Fathering ministry
> indeed.

I do recall her saying that she attended the funeral of her grandfather (Gary's Dad), and Gary purposely ignored her. Her posts were sweet and straightforward, with no trace of anger or vindictiveness (that I sensed). She asked a few questions of what the church as about, and was then attacked. I think her questions were answered--but not in the way she anticipated.

changedagain Wrote:
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> GoingRogue Wrote:
>
> > No, I couldn't find that exchange in the doc
> files
> > I received, puddington. I know I've read it
> > before, though. It was a very sad and telling
> > account of a young person looking for answers.
> Too
> > bad that GH showed zero nurturing skills and
> > compassion for his own child. Fathering
> ministry
> > indeed.
>
> I do recall her saying that she attended the
> funeral of her grandfather (Gary's Dad), and Gary
> purposely ignored her. Her posts were sweet and
> straightforward, with no trace of anger or
> vindictiveness (that I sensed). She asked a few
> questions of what the church as about, and was
> then attacked. I think her questions were
> answered--but not in the way she anticipated.

If I had to guess, I'd say that Donna is a great mother! I had a couple of contacts with Dawn when she was 1-2 years old. I was in the car with Donna and Dawn. As we were driving, Donna would point out to Dawn our surroundings, "Look at the yellow school bus," etc. Donna was so present and so engaged.

Years later when I had kids of my own, I remembered what Donna had done with Dawn and found myself doing the same with my kids. I can't even begin to imagine the crap that Donna and Dawn went through because of G&M.

kbyrne Wrote:

If I had to guess, I'd say that Donna is a great mother! I had a couple of
contacts with Dawn when she was 1-2 years old. I was in the car with Donna and
Dawn. As we were driving, Donna would point out to Dawn our surroundings, "Look
at the yellow school bus," etc. Donna was so present and so engaged.

Years later when I had kids of my own, I remembered what Donna had done with
Dawn and found myself doing the same with my kids. I can't even begin to imagine
the crap that Donna and Dawn went through because of G&M.
________________________________________________

From what I remember of Donna, she was a very out-going person who had a natural ability to relate to people, especially children. She was an elementary school teacher. It makes sense that she would be a good mom too. You're right, kbyrne, she didn't deserve what happened. My guess is that GH saw his chance to climb to the top of the heap and she and Dawn were the "collateral damage".

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Well, at least it appears they are doing something with the community in mind. That's a change :)

GoingRogue Wrote:

> From what I remember of Donna, she was a very
> out-going person who had a natural ability to
> relate to people, especially children. She was an
> elementary school teacher. It makes sense that she
> would be a good mom too. You're right, kbyrne, she
> didn't deserve what happened. My guess is that GH
> saw his chance to climb to the top of the heap and
> she and Dawn were the "collateral damage".

Yes--the ruthless pursuit of power...there will be collateral damage.