I remember when M started
> designating the wife as the spiritual leader of a
> marriage and that husbands were to submit
> themselves unto their wife. I remember the date,
> time, place where it happened to me. Part of
> the"pitch" to accept this was M telling my wife
> and I that she chose us because we were strong and
> could handle it.... once again it gave us the
> feeling of having M's approval I remember how
> Bill Maybe struggled with this. It ultimately
> drove him away from his marriage, church and son.
> Looking back, as hindsight is always 20/20, this
> role reversal was designed to break the male
> spirit and establish M's stronghold as the
> spiritual leader. I remember G telling me how
> difficult it was for him. From the early days, I
> think M saw herself in an exhaulted way because
> she was the chosen one to bring forth the man of
> God that was going to bring forth the kingdom on
> the earth. I think she used the same principle
> with Gary.... he was the voice from the pulpit,
> but in reality, she directed him as to what the
> will of God was going to be.... shining bright the
> path as the Lamp of Israel....what a bunch of mind
> controling bunk!...just my humble opinion.
> My wife and I came to see Marilyn as a "King
> Maker". She would help the one she latched onto
> and propel him to the top.
> "Kingmaker" is also used in some countries to
> refer to those individuals with the ability to
> influence the selection of political leaders. The
> term though always unofficial, has tended to gain
> more importance in places of power struggle e.g.
> politics, sports organizations etc. Consequently,
> bestowement of such a title is looked upon
> significantly and more often as a means of
> indirect gratification for individuals wanting to
> silently dictate the affairs of the organization."
> This is what has happened to tlwf. I was at the
> 1984 meeting in Sepulveda when she was choosing
> the men who would stand with her. They have become
> what we always tried to avoid: becoming like
> "Babylon". I heard the tapes where she directed
> marriages to break up. It was a big mess.
> Way back in the early days whenever the
> phrase,"the living word" was used my wife and I
> always thought of God's Word (the scriptures),
> what we didn't realize until later is those who
> used it the most were speaking of the word,
> sermons, this weeks, and tapes from jrs. He was
> not the Christ, John the Beloved, or our Father in
> the heavens. However, regarding the posts seeking
> info about John. Was he a drinker? A womanizer?
> That's like focusing on the debauchery of the
> prodigal son, "Can you tell me more about those
> prostitutes?", rather than on the forgiveness,
> grace, and love of the father. John was a man whom
> God used just like He has used anyone of us.
> Different calling, different gifts, but the same
> Galatians 2:6 "As for those who were held in high
> esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to
> me; God does not show favoritism—they added
> nothing to my message."
> We have one Teacher, One Father, One Spirit, and
> we are all brothers. Once again those in
> leadership have given themselves over to exalt
> marilyn and gary the same way they exalted jrs.
> And now with gary reaching out to the catholic
> church it's all over, but the shouting. IMHO.
I have read this thread over and over. She systematically took over step by step, day by day year by year. She knew all the dirty little secrets that boosted her grandiose dellusions that she is god...am I getting that correct?
I feel horible for the things I say about some geographical groups in the walk. I hear all to often " We are under grace. We can do what we want." No one took the people with addiction problems aside who were leadership?
My ex had said, " I found out i'm an alocoloic after only DHS forced him to go to a few AA meeitngs. I have a disaease. You are co-dependant so you are sicker than me. God has given me grace to drink when I want." I think the "brothers" he was around in Anahiem shared his attitude but they were better at covering up than my late husband.
M knew all the dirty secrets because the taped minstiry. I wondered why the male leaders which I think is so very natural to be in eadership ( Not meant as sexist remarek) They missed her sneaky plan to be queen of the world. Excuse me, I think she had the leaders by the bal#s black mailed. I am horrified at what happened to loving people.
M, I think, wanted her own version of wt haAimme Semple Mc had FAME, adoration, to be god. M was an opporturnistist who took over step by step, day by day. Th leaders should have seen it coming all under the guise of the Kingdom is at hand.
Now that she is dead...did she think she was immortal? I watched some of g vidoes where he said M is here with us. Sound like a sick denial name dropping because he was maybe demasculenated? But he had all the golden rule.
Sounds like M upset the balance of ancient family structure so she could be god with woman in submission to here and the men dominated /fearful under her feet with the help of "elevated" women... how how woman friends doing? Pretty much I have only read about the men leaders kicked out...which was a better place for them. But how could they support themselves then? Cult leader and prayor warrior of the queen of heaven is not the best thing to put on a resume.
Thank you for allowing me to express my shock and horror and what things turned into. I hope and pray no other good people fall into this kind of sick trap again.